Posted on 11/25/2001 12:58:48 PM PST by CCWoody
ROFL. I needed that laugh today, thanks. :):):)
Ok, I'll try to make it simpler --Christians can be just as fanatical as Moslems. The fundamentalists of both religions believe they have the One True Faith and that all others are heathens.
Well, that certainly makes everything clear as day.
Do you have a scripture that teaches "tolerance" of sin? Do you have a scripture where the word tolerance is used?.
"What fellowship has light with darkness?" Tolerance is a lie from the pit of hell.
There is a very large difference,Christians do not kill the "infidels" ram planes into buildings,or bomb pizza parlors Christians feed the hungry ,cloth the naked,comfort the grieving. Christians take the Sermon on the mount seriously.
To compare the two simply shows your lack of spiritual insight.
I have several (see below).
Do you have a scripture where the word tolerance is used?.
Do you have a scripture that says that it is OK for you to use a computer? A telephone? An automobile? I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours. The paucity of examples of tolerance contained in the Bible is for you to defend, not me.
Tolerance is a lie from the pit of hell.
Sure looks like The Big Guy Himself disagrees with you ...
Luke 9:49-50 "...we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbade him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us."
Jesus' disciples once asked Him to exterminate the people of a "sinful" village by issuing a curse. Jesus rebuked them in Luke 9:52-56, saying "...Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.
Even St. Paul espoused tolerance of others. In Romans 14:1-23, he said, "But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ...Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother's way."
He didn't say murder was "okay"--and you are correct in your summary of those that suggest Spurgeon did justify murder. They are idiots, and the most miserable kind, as they not only operate from a position of willful ignorance, but do not hesitate to libel others--including those that are their moral and intellectual betters--and do so from a hypocritical vantage.
Spurgeon called sinners to purity of faith in the God of Scripture through the Person of Jesus Christ, and rightly and Biblically conveys the seriousness of false worship and idolatry as the sins they are, and those that are biblically illiterate and totally oblivious to even the most rudimentary issues of theology are "offended" at it--and show invective and hate all while they say Spurgeon was "intolerant."
While it is true that wars have been fought over religion, and to passive modern secular relativists such conviction seems incomprehensible (reminds me of how some consider the Marines to be "fanatics"--such devotion to duty and willingness to fight, bleed and die for something beyond themselves is utterly foreign to the garden variety miserable wretch that knows nothing more profound than satisfying their own immediate desires and selfish wants).
However, it is completely false to state that "intolerance of anothers [sic] faith is to blame for more death and destruction than anything else in history."
Not even close. But facts typically (and sadly) give way to the "just so" statements that "everyone" knows to be true but never document, as an Orwellian "group-think" substitutes the time and rigor to actually research and think before they speak (or write, as the case may be). As Oscare Wilde aptly expressed it, if you can't beat someone legitimately in an argument, simply call them names. This typically finds its expression in modern-day post-Christian America as being called a "Nazi," "a Joe McCarthy," that most terrible things, a "Rush Limbaugh 'fan'," and of course, "hate-filled."
But the facts are that the Christian worldview rejected monarchies, dictatorships and other tyrannical forms of government not only "first" but in reality have a monopoly--monarchies, dictatorships and old-fashioned tyrannies are the norm throughout the world outside of the (now) post-Christian West. Civil rights, women's rights, religious tolerance for those of other faiths, et. al., are all concepts born out of the progessive advancement of the Christian worldview.
It is true that tens of thousands died in the Crusades, and thousands were killed during the "Spanish Inquisition," and 19 were killed as a result of the "Salem Witch Trials," the all-time champ at murdering innocent non-combatants is not religion, but the modern secular state.
The human rights group Freedom House has documented that in the 20th century alone over 119.4 million murders were committed by secular humanist governments outside of warfare in the name of "humanist progress" and "the state." 95.2 million of these deaths were committed in the name of atheistic communist regimes. And these are the numbers that have been compiled--the numbers are still out on such enlightened, "non-religious" paradises as the "People's Republic" of China and North Korea, etc. [See R.J. Rummel, "War Isn't This Century's Biggest Killer," Wall Street Journel (7 July 1986): editorial page].
To equate Charles Spurgeon's call to worship God with purity of Biblical doctrine and to not offer idolatrous false worship from a doctrinal basis with murderous terrorists that do not offer a thoughtful, systematic doctrinal statement and peacefully call persons to faith in Jesus but, in contrast, fly hijacked planes full of civilians into buildings full of multiple thousands of civilians is the worst kind of miserable, sloppy thinking which speaks much more about the person offering the anti-statement than anything about Charles Spurgeon and his sermon.
Essentially, these all-to-common comments are the expression of the anti-historical and those that cannot tolerate a strong doctrinal statement based upon antithesis and truth. So, simply call it, in true non-thinking fashion, "hate" and claim that Spurgeon's cogent call to purity of doctrine in worship is the same as flying a hijacked plane into a building.
Certainly not the God I have come to know and love.
"I doubt any God who inflicts pain for his own pleasure." Leonard McCoy
Yikes. Hope you don't teach ethics. Or math, for that matter.
Dan
Dan
As a conservative believing Christian, I certainly do believe that Jesus Christ is the only name given under heaven by which a person may be saved. I also believe Muhammad was inspired by a demon.
For my so believeing, please feel free to call me a fanatic intolerent fundamentalist Christian anytime. Be as loud and nasty as you want to be in your attacks. Despite it all, you are in far less danger of suffering harm at my hands than I am in suffering harm at yours or at the hands of a Muslim. I am wield no weapon, but a voice.
And never, ever forget: when it comes to slaughtering, starving, and annihilating human beings on a truly grand and efficient scale, no one does it better than an atheist or pagan. Just ask Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, or Kim Il Sung.
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