Posted on 11/16/2001 6:14:22 PM PST by CommiesOut
I knew if I tried hard enough I could find something about which we agree.:o)
It is a well-known fact that Jews in Eastern Europe, including Poland, were never considered citizens of the countries in which they lived. It seems to me that, if the country in which they lived did not give them full citizenship, and in fact, did its best to drive them out, that country has no right to claim credit for their accomplishments.
Or are you counting Jews separately in every country?
The United States is a completely different situation. Jews have full citizenship here.
I'm not sure either. I try to find answers in an available literature. This piece is written by an American Jew so I have no choice but assume that he's not an antisemite.
In the early 1990s, University of Iowa journalism professor Stephen Bloom, feeling alienated in Iowa City, went searching for his Jewish heritage. He thought he could find it in Postville, a small town in northeast Iowa, where he discovered there was an enclave of ultra-Orthodox Jews. This book, framed as both personal journey and examination of cultural clashes in the American experiment of multiculturalism, documents what became his profound shock, and disappointment. In looking for romantic myths and legends of the Jewish past, he found instead a jarring ghost from Jewish history and traditional identity that deeply troubled him.Postville A Clash of Cultures in Heartland America, by Stephen G. Bloom,The story centers upon (...) Chabad Lubavitcher Hasids ("the pious") who in 1987 bought a slaughterhouse in Postville (population: about 1,400), imported hundreds of non-Jewish illegal alien laborers to work for $6 an hour in oppressive conditons, and, since then, have been taking over the town. They also bring pollution to the local river, at least two attempted murders, and Iowa state lawsuits against the company. Bloom hears such tales first from angry local non-Jewish townspeople and initally assumes that their perspective is merely an expression of anti-Jewish prejudice. The longer the author spends in the town, however, and the more he time he spends with the ultra-Orthodox Jews who seek to pull him into their community, the more he accepts the fact that it is not "anti-Semitism" that fuels the outrage felt by longtime Postville residents, but verifiable Jewish hostility, discrimination, and exploitation of non-Jews. A range of classical "anti-Semitic" canards against the ultra-Orthodox Bloom finds to be true. "Many of the Hasidim I had encountered in Postville pretended to be holy," writes Bloom, "but their actions displayed bigotry and racism of the worst degree. (...) This book is a must read for anyone who seeks to honestly understand the verifiable origins of what is popularly known as "anti-Semitism".
As you can see, von Bismarck, all you need is a 1000 Postvilles plus a 1000 years of history and here you have it: a hatred.
We're lucky the US is a very young country and that there is not too many unwashed peasants.
Nonsense. Medieval society was based on a senseless denigration of trade, since aristotle disliked trade and insisted that even if both parties agreed to it and felt they were better off for the trade, one was being ripped off. Since someone needed to do it, medieval society set up a caste to trade & lend money, which would be afforded opportunities denied others, but persecuted for enjoying them. Hypocrisy has its price, which is why it must be fought everywhere.
Today few hate commerce, and thus the root ideological problems that led to it have gone, as, I trust, eventually will go the racial bias resting on the same. natural law would have no less. In this sense Marxism was not a failed futuristic ideology, but a destructive anachronism. In this sense, Russia only joined modernity in the 1990s. Time heals all wounds.
It's not known to me. And if there were tensions, the blame should probably be assigned equally. And what about Western Europe and Einstein?
The United States is a completely different situation. Jews have full citizenship here.
So I guess they should be primarily loyal to America and not Israel, eh?
Exactly!
Must be one of those guys out to discredit Jews and portray them in the least favorable light.
Isn't it amazing how a Georgian managed to wrestle the power from the Jewish Bolsheviks, who despised the little awkward quite guy, and finish them off one by one?
By the way, Stalin was one the main proponents of Israel's creation. And I hear the Soviet Union was quite liked by Jews as a country designed by their kind.
Inny,
As usual, I have to correct your geographical and historical mistakes made in the above posted sentence.
1) Poland is not located in Eastern Europe.
2) Jews who lived in Europe before WWII were citizens of the countries that they lived in.
Leave it to our friend. I bet he's working on a very obvious link between M. Curie-Sklodowska and Nagasaki.
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