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Mechanical Trouble Reported Before Take-Off
Newsmax.com ^ | 11/12/01 | newsmax staff

Posted on 11/12/2001 9:38:53 AM PST by nicmarlo

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To: nicmarlo
No. I saw the quote on FR, maybe someone can locate it. He said "as far as I know" or words to that effect, there were "no unusual communications". You leave out the qualifier and claim he is "insisting". He isn't.
41 posted on 11/12/2001 10:30:41 AM PST by mlo
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To: jlogajan
"People who suffer the delusion that engineering of any system can be made perfectly safe if only we could overcome the conspiracies afoot, are simply ignorant of the tradeoffs in real life engineering."

Delusioned: "The other day my kitchen faucet started leaking, and I noticed a 93 Buick hitting the pothole in front of my house about that time."

"The fact speaks for itself."

Try explaining engineering to people that are not in the discipline and they look at you like you've got spinach in your teeth.

42 posted on 11/12/2001 10:31:44 AM PST by kahoutek
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To: mlo
I watched Ari during the news briefing. At least three different times he said there was no unusual communications; another time, he said communications were normal; when asked again, if there was any time the pilot contacted the towers, he, again, said: there was no contact between the tower at take off nor was their communication with N.Y. after departure (meaning, another tower).
43 posted on 11/12/2001 10:34:25 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
American Airlines on Veteran's Day.

It's hard not to see terrorism here. The access to planes on the tarmac is not yet completely secure. How can everything be completely secure?

44 posted on 11/12/2001 10:34:36 AM PST by WarPaint
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To: nicmarlo
I don't know why people don't see the obvious.

The airlines would be keeping some info quiet until they find out exactly what happened, and even after.

If it was an 'engine failure', then you try to limit your liability (and your insurance company's liability) by keeping any info that hurt's your case to a minimum.

If they stated right now that "Hey, yeah, mechanic "x" worked on that very engine, it was having trouble and we thought we would just wait a few more trips before fixing it", I guarantee their insurance carrier would drop them like a hot potato.

First rule during any accident is "keep your mouth shut as much as possible".

Second rule is "answer only the question asked".

Until a complete investigation proves what went wrong, The airline is just protecting it's stockholders and insurance carriers, and future by limiting info given out to anyone. Now, if they had a hint that it was terrorist related, I believe they would show complete candor.

That is why it was probably "faulty engine", "bad diagnosis by mechanic to let it go without major repair".

This could also have been a result of recent incidents. The airline might have been more concerned with keeping passengers happy (get em in the air and on their way) due to low profits (or none) lately. I.E. Money over safety. You won't be seeing them getting on T.V. and announcing that as the cause !

45 posted on 11/12/2001 10:38:15 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
If it was an 'engine failure', then you try to limit your liability (and your insurance company's liability) by keeping any info that hurt's your case to a minimum.

If they stated right now that "Hey, yeah, mechanic "x" worked on that very engine, it was having trouble and we thought we would just wait a few more trips before fixing it", I guarantee their insurance carrier would drop them like a hot potato.

This is true. And, as usual, the "little people" are kept in the dark.

47 posted on 11/12/2001 10:43:29 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Faith_j
Meanwhile, in completely unrelated news item, the UN and Empire State Building were excavated. You know how those mechanical failures are, said a spokesman.

And, as you may have seen in a post, in completely unrelated news, a flight headed to Denver International was given military escort before proceeding onto California.

48 posted on 11/12/2001 10:45:13 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: kahoutek
Hey what are you doing trying to mix the whole thing up with the facts? Their preconceived notion is not going to allow that!!!!
49 posted on 11/12/2001 10:48:33 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: nicmarlo
Dr. Arnot on NBC this morning said in a rapid failure like this the pilot almost certainly was focused on trying to fly the plane, not reporting trouble to the ATC. He had very little time to do anything before the plane broke up, probably only a few seconds. Sounds reasonable to me.

Earlier I was convinced this was a bomb. Now I am fairly sure it wasn't. Old plane, old engine with history of failure, delayed takeoff due to mechanical malfunction -- sounds like a classic catastrophic engine failure. The good news is we should know very quickly one way or the other. There are too many media people crawling all over this scene for there to be any coverup.

We have to be able to realize that September 11 did not stop planes from failing, people from being nuts and committing weird and gruesome crimes that have nothing to do with terrorism, Hazmat trucks being stolen for joyrides, and other assorted bad things.

50 posted on 11/12/2001 10:49:13 AM PST by Dems_R_Losers
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To: Faith_j
Meanwhile, in completely unrelated news item, the UN and Empire State Building were excavated.

Didn't know those building were archeological digs.

51 posted on 11/12/2001 10:52:06 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: Zordas
good post.
53 posted on 11/12/2001 10:53:42 AM PST by abraxas_sandiego
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To: WarPaint
That's right, and AMERICAN AIR has 11 letters as does VETERANS DAY.

It can only mean one thing, right

C'mon, lighten up everybody.

54 posted on 11/12/2001 10:57:05 AM PST by Jersey Jim
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To: VRWC_minion
Are they better off in heaven or here ?

I vote for heaven.

55 posted on 11/12/2001 10:58:26 AM PST by Clovis_Skeptic
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To: Zordas
That series of engine (General Electric CF-6) has had a terrible history of such events . . .
The possibility of a cover-up is very high.

Question (not trying to take out of context). Cover-up high about the engine not really be repaired properly or cover up about something else, perhaps mechanics who worked the plane (i.e., possibility of a mechanic who has not been cleared (an Arab, for instance)?

56 posted on 11/12/2001 10:59:36 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: ecru
Hey, aren't you that Pacino guy from Scarface?"

Nah...but the neighborhood is familiar...and I do a lot of cringing in movies like that!

57 posted on 11/12/2001 11:01:57 AM PST by PoorMuttly
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To: nicmarlo
I watched Ari during the news briefing. At least three different times he said there was no unusual communications...

I went and watched it myself. He qualified everything he said. He said first information can be wrong. He said "as of right now" there were no unusual communications from the cockpit.

Everyone on FR ought to wait and find out the facts and stop rushing to find something sinister. This plane just crashed for god's sake.

58 posted on 11/12/2001 11:03:42 AM PST by mlo
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To: Faith_j
Not much better than These are not the droids you're looking for...
60 posted on 11/12/2001 11:10:51 AM PST by packrat01
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