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Bush May Order Everyone Injected With Smallpox Vaccine
Rense.com | 11-9-1

Posted on 11/09/2001 4:57:24 PM PST by Magician

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To: Magician
BULLFEATHERS! You can still take the vaccine AFTER exposure and be protected, so there's no need to make it compulsory prior to exposure. The main thing is to have enough vaccine available.

And, I must add, that IMHO the threat of smallpox is WAYYYY overblown. The US and Russia had the last remaining smallpox virus. I don't buy into the concept that rogue scientists or the Russian mafia may have got their hands on it and sold it to terrorist groups.

101 posted on 11/09/2001 6:04:39 PM PST by jaime1959
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To: Illbay
To those silly ninnies who say "They can't make me take it, I have rights!" I'd like to remind you that we are AT WAR, with an enemy that may well have this particular weapon. If you are unwilling to be vaccinated, then you will endanger others.

Since my husband is one of those who had a bad (and bizzare) reaction to the vaccine as a child, there is no way I'm putting my children in that position. Regardless of whether we're at war or not, I do indeed have rights, as do my children. When presented with an enemy that may have a weapon that may be used and that may come in contact with my children and a vaccine that has caused a bad reaction in their biological father(yes, and may cause the same in them), I choose not to vaccinate.

FP

102 posted on 11/09/2001 6:09:59 PM PST by FourPeas
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To: Magician
The President should make the vaccine available and voluntary. I would have it (again). I would definitely make my 10 year old son have it and would encourage my grown sons to have it. However, I would not be first in the vaccine line and my final decision would be an informed decision.

It cannot be over stressed. It is the responsibility of all citizens to educate themselves and not rely on 2nd or 3rd hand information.

In the end, the decision rests on benefits vs. risks. All medicine involves a certain amount of risk, even in the best of circumstances. Medicine is not an exact science.

Make it voluntary. However, make it known that if anyone gets smallpox because of a decision not to be vaccinated, the legal whores will never have a case.

103 posted on 11/09/2001 6:14:37 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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If everyone would look at the source of this article you would not be having this discussion.
104 posted on 11/09/2001 6:19:46 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Magician
I guess you heard a different speech than I did. He did not say he was considering a mandatory vaccination program. He did not insinuate it even. He was responding to a question. Your title is misleading and contrived.
105 posted on 11/09/2001 6:20:45 PM PST by 2-in-Texas
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To: 2-in-Texas
Friday November 9 5:12 PM ET

Old Smallpox Vaccines May Still Help

By ERIN McCLAM, Associated Press Writer

ATLANTA (AP) - With the anthrax scare stirring fears of a far deadlier smallpox attack, health officials are trying to reassure the public that people vaccinated decades ago are probably still protected.

The government has 15.4 million doses of smallpox vaccine and wants to buy 300 million more, enough to vaccinate the entire country. However, there are no government plans for a mass vaccination.

Health experts say the immune systems of people who received multiple shots before the government ended smallpox vaccinations in 1972 can probably still fight the disease.

Before the program ended, children were immunized as toddlers and usually again when they started school. And international travelers were required to show proof of a recent vaccination.

``If someone has had three immunizations, it would offer a significant degree of protection for decades,'' said Dr. Harry L. Keyserling, a smallpox expert at Emory University.

Research on smallpox outbreaks from the early 1900s shows the disease killed only 10 percent of people who had been vaccinated as much as 50 years before.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (news - web sites)'s bioterrorism Web site says the level of immunity left in people vaccinated before 1972 is uncertain. And the CDC conservatively warns the vaccine is most effective for three to five years.

But the agency is revising its guidelines to let state health departments know about the vaccine's lingering protection, said Dr. James LeDuc, acting head of the agency's viral division.

The government opposes mass vaccinations because it believes they are unnecessary and because the vaccine can cause crippling side effects.

Smallpox was declared eradicated worldwide in 1980, but the virus is stored in government laboratories in a few places around the world.

The virus is contagious and deadly, killing three in 10 of its victims. But experts say that a smallpox attack is unlikely to unleash a doomsday outbreak that could instantly get out of control.

There is a window of up to 11 days between the time people contract the virus and the time they actually become sick and develop the scabs that make the disease contagious.

Particularly in a time of heightened alert, doctors say they would probably be able to recognize a small outbreak during that window and quickly vaccinate people who came in contact with the victims.

``It has a rather slow evolution,'' LeDuc said. ``We think it's not going to be a wildfire.''

Smallpox is among the bioterrorism agents the CDC has warned doctors to watch for since the Sept. 11 attacks. No case has been documented in the United States since 1949.

Health officials have never stopped testing the effectiveness of the U.S. stockpile of vaccine and said they are confident it would work.

``The stuff is incredibly stable,'' LeDuc said.


106 posted on 11/09/2001 6:27:07 PM PST by deport
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To: Miss Marple
Actually, I think that although it was no longer mandatory after 1972, some clinics still gave it with permission. My kid says it's on her shot record that she had one (I gave it to her for her records years ago.) My son is checking his. They were both born after '72. Worth checking into.
107 posted on 11/09/2001 6:30:05 PM PST by 2-in-Texas
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To: CoolH2OH
I agree with you. The benefits far out weigh the negatives in this case. Millions have died because of small pox. There is no known cure or treatment. Come on folks, this is not a game.
108 posted on 11/09/2001 6:30:22 PM PST by Beeline40@aol.com
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To: deport
Reuters Photo
The United States is still on high alert for more anthrax attacks but another more deadly biowarfare agent took center stage on November 6, 2001, as scientists warned of the catastrophic effects of smallpox. Former Soviet germ warfare scientists have called for worldwide vaccination against the deadly virus after admitting poorly paid Russian scientists could be tempted by rogue states which want their expertise about the deadly pathogen. (Reuters Graphic)

109 posted on 11/09/2001 6:31:34 PM PST by deport
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To: deport
Thanks for the article. But it also does not indicate any impending mandatory vaccinations. Don't get me wrong, I'd gladly take it although I had it in the 50's, and I'd twist my kids' arms into getting it again too. But I think the thread title was totally inaccurate.
110 posted on 11/09/2001 6:35:45 PM PST by 2-in-Texas
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To: Magician
The vaccine should be optional.
111 posted on 11/09/2001 6:39:12 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: B.R. Burton
Ben,
This is weird. My normal name is R(ichard)Burton.
I still don't think I'm ar risk of 'pox.
112 posted on 11/09/2001 6:41:38 PM PST by sasquatch
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To: sasquatch
..not ar risk or at risk for that matter.
ZZZZ
113 posted on 11/09/2001 6:45:19 PM PST by sasquatch
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To: jackbill
Last night, President Bush cautioned against a rush to vacinate people against small pox. He said that many people may die. He ain't pushing universal vacination.

Well this Old Timer remembers when you HAD to have a vacination to get into school
114 posted on 11/09/2001 6:45:35 PM PST by uncbob
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To: crazykatz
That's it for me. "Igor put the shovel away. No more grave robbin for us."
115 posted on 11/09/2001 6:46:34 PM PST by willyone
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To: overseer5
"Who knows what else they may try to hide in the shot?"

Those are my thoughts exactly. Good reply.

116 posted on 11/09/2001 6:46:52 PM PST by CWRWinger
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To: FourPeas
I agree it should be voluntary, anyone who hasn't seen a picture of a smallpox victim really needs to look at some but I'm not posting any because they are very gruesome pictures. If that's what someone wants to risk for their children, they should have that right but they do need to keep in mind the smallpox likely to be released would be an extremely virulent kind.
117 posted on 11/09/2001 6:49:30 PM PST by FITZ
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To: brigette
No, some have a natural immunity and never react to the vaccine. I have been vacinated numerous times and never showed any reaction to the vaccine. I still would get another one just to be safe. Even the Salk Polio vaccine had some bad reactions but not as bad as the Sabin which used live virus. Still better than ending up in an iron lung. Remember those? It gave a better immunity but caused many more problems. Anyone remember when Summer was a time of fear because of polio? I do,my mom had all kinds of weird ideas even after we were vacinated.
118 posted on 11/09/2001 6:53:11 PM PST by willyone
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
"No President can FORCE every American to get a smallpox vaccination. What is he going to do, arrest the millions who may not want to take the vaccine?"

If we are hit with a smallpox bio attack, there will very likely be a death sentence for those who refuse the order to take the vaccine.

And the President won't have to lift a finger for that to happen to the refuseniks.

This is not fun and games. This is not a flu shot that makes your arm sore for a week and then you get the flu anyway because the shot was a composite of old variants.

This is a deadly disease, that will kill you in a horrible, painfull, disfiguring way, and only an idiot would refuse to accept the vaccine.

For the idiots I have no sympathy. For their children who will possibly die due to the paranoia of their parents, I do feel sad.

Fortunately, the vaccine is a live virus, and as such, it spreads to others who have not taken the shot. So, if enough people accept the vaccination, those who refuse will "catch" the "disease" from contact with them, and thus be protected.

119 posted on 11/09/2001 6:54:27 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: Frohickey
Make it voluntary, and free of charge upon showing evidence of US citizenship.

Interesting. Very interesting. And what about the legal visitors and the illegals?

120 posted on 11/09/2001 6:55:33 PM PST by ladyjane
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