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William Cooper is Dead (my title)
12-News, Phoenix, AZ ^ | November 6, 2001 | AP

Posted on 11/06/2001 11:28:40 AM PST by Jack Barbara

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To: Zadokite
Great article. It sounds like he was very brave and principled. Not many of those around anymore at all. In fact I can't even name one. It is a great loss. Saddly the battle had already been lost.
481 posted on 11/07/2001 9:24:28 PM PST by Revel
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To: RebelDawg
I love the militia, I believe in the militia as envisioned by the founders. That is why I used the phrase so called right wing nuts If the so called militia movement is blamed for anthrax attacks, it has to be that they are tied into the Al Queda organization. That would make them enemies of the US, not militia members, or patriot groups, because those two groups are American at their core.
482 posted on 11/07/2001 9:53:33 PM PST by jeremiah
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To: Zadokite
You definitely don't get it. Whatever you have to say about Cooper doesn't discredit the claims he made which can be verified independently from his sources and others.

But that presupposes that those claims CAN be verified from independent sources.

Which they can't.

And what he has said in the past is VERY relevant in determining his present veracity.

For example, he said he was the CINCPACFLT Special Category (SPECAT) communications operator. That post requires specialized training in areas of handling classified material, operating cryptographic equipment (and in those prehistoric days of manually keyed and synchronized cryptographic systems, that was an exceedingly difficult task that only radiomen knew how to perform), and operating specialized data communications equipment (again, stuff that only radiomen ever got taught).

There was only one problem: he was not a radioman, he was a quartermaster--someone who helps navigate ships.

He reproduces his own service record in Behold a Pale Horse. The record indicates that he never held any security clearance, let alone the massively high ones required for duty as a SPECAT operator.

If he can't be trusted to tell the truth on what I can check, how can I trust him when he talks about these SEE-KRIT conspiracies that he seems to know so much about?

483 posted on 11/08/2001 4:42:10 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: wcbtinman
Please define "lawfull".The real crux of the debate about sedition lies here.

I guess you're right. I can post the definition from the dictionary, but I think that's a moot point....I think we all know what that means, but more importantly, whats the guage for determining if the government, or portion thereof, that is being rebelled against, is operating in a lawful manner.

I'm not a lawyer, but my guess is that this would all be determined in a trial after the fact, just like the Neurumburg trial, and other similar things. You can be guilty of a crime, if the act you did was following an unlawful order. You can be let of if you were following a lawful order. If you disobey an order (or law), if in the trial that law is found to be unlawful or unconstitutional, you will be acquitted.

Not positive on that...just my thoughts. Wow, close to 500 posts on this thread!
484 posted on 11/08/2001 6:37:34 AM PST by Justin Thyme
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To: moonhawk
Haven't you ever changed your mind, especially when you got more facts?

Yes I have, and I have already admitted that I could be wrong on this thread. But what you told me is not news to me. I know that he changed his mind about the alien conspiracy. I have no doubt that he was a good man to have in your corner.

Back when Bo Gritz was running for president in 1996, I got to spend and afternoon with him. He was a very terrific, warm, and charitable man. He too in his publications has some things that he claims that appear to defy credibility. But I like to read and I can say the difference between Bo and Bill is that Bo's stories appear to have more of a foundation in verifiable facts. I have no doubt that Cooper was a fine soldier and loved his country.

485 posted on 11/08/2001 7:00:25 AM PST by scottiewottie
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To: scottiewottie
The question you must answer is would he be good because he believed the elixirs worked, or because he wanted to sell elixirs?
You seem to have already answered your own question and are fixed in your beliefs. Why do you insist I must answer your question? I don't know what his intent was and I'm not going to guess like others. I'll just chalk it up along with other things on the ol' memory chalkboard and move on.
486 posted on 11/08/2001 7:32:08 AM PST by philman_36
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To: Aurelius
Most likely you've seen this, just in case you haven't, check post 8. It is our man.

Thanks for the bump. Yep, its him. Final confirmation at his website, where, interestingly enough, whoever is now running his website is saying that his death was NOT a conspiracy... more level headedness at Coopers home than from various tin foil hatters...

487 posted on 11/08/2001 8:04:39 AM PST by Paradox
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To: philman_36
No, I have not made up my mind. In fact I have made it quite clear that I could be wrong about Cooper. I am certain that I am totally ignorant about many things this man has done and said.

Unlike you, I really would like to have the credibility question explored and answered. When I buy elixirs from a traveling medicine man, I am very skeptical of his motive and his product. Those are questions that I must have answers to, or I don't buy. Now, if you think the questions don't need answers, then I can't help you.

Care to answer a question for me? Here it is: Why does Cooper give us two totally different "swear to God and country it is true" recollections of classified documents that he calls "MJ-12" or "MAJESTYTWELVE" that he claims to have seen while in the Navy in or around 1970 to 1973?

In his 1997 affidavit he claims that the documents speak about; "MAJESTYTWELVE revealed that drugs are brought into the United States by the Central Intelligence Agency, the military intelligence organizations, the Mossad, the KGB, and their partners in organized crime." "...MAJESTYTWELVE stated that the first terrorist attack in the United States would occur in a large city such as New York or Los Angeles." ..." "...The plan outlined the formation of a world totalitarian socialist government. It is to be ruled by a behind-the-scenes council of wise men. A so-called benevolent dictator, will be presented as the Messiah." ..."...According to MAJESTYTWELVE the Knights Templar have become the driving influence at the highest levels of all the secret societies among the adepts known as the Illuminati."

But in an affidavit dated 1/10/89, Cooper claims, "The following is brief listing of everything that I personally saw and know from 1972 and does not contain any input from any other source whatsoever". He further states, "There will be no further additions or corrections to this information either now or in the future. My file is complete and stands to be judged by history." In this affidavit there is nothing about a sinister plot by the Illuminati, no plans of terrorist attacks, no plans for gun confiscation, no evidence in this recollection, or a previous one, that the Aliens were a ruse!

So again, the question:

Why does Cooper give us two totally different "swear to God and country it is true" recollections of classified documents that he calls "MJ-12" or "MAJESTYTWELVE" that he claims to have seen while in the Navy in or around 1970 to 1973?

488 posted on 11/08/2001 8:51:47 AM PST by scottiewottie
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To: Paradox
HUH!!?? What man? What is the "NO conspiracy"?
489 posted on 11/08/2001 8:59:17 AM PST by scottiewottie
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To: scottiewottie
No, I have not made up my mind.
Then why do you refer continually to the man as "certifiable"? You admit to having barely read anything from him yet you leap to an uncertain conclusion based upon what his "website" says. Did you analyze him? Do you know his intent and motive? If not, your assumption is just an assumption. Same as anyone else who didn't know him.
When I buy elixirs from a traveling medicine man, I am very skeptical of his motive and his product.
Your skepticism should be before you buy the product. You sound like you put your cart before the horse.
Here is the horse...Those are questions that I must have answers to, or I don't buy.
Care to answer a question for me?
I can't answer your question...You would have to ask the deceased for that answer. As I said, I'll not guess.
So again, the question:
So again my answer...I can't answer your question...You would have to ask the deceased for that answer. As I said, I'll not guess.
I try not to "presume" what I don't know! That was his website and POV.
Dead men "tell no tales" do they?
490 posted on 11/08/2001 9:19:53 AM PST by philman_36
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To: philman_36
Cart before the horse?? LOL! Is that the best you can do?

My skepticism has lead me to the assumption that Cooper is certifiable. For that reason, I'm not buying!!

Sure the man is a patriot. Sure the man loved serving his country. Sure he loved his family. But his information about circumstances in America needs to be verifiable and credible. Since I don't know enough to challenge the verifiable, I thought I would examine the credibility.

I would love to believe something that he said. I would love to know that some of his writings that he swears are true, really are true. I would love to have his credibility proven. I would love to be wrong about my conclusion that the man is certifiable.

You are not helping me at all! Just why do you defend this guy? Can you point me to any resolution on the question of credibility?

"The events at Fatima in the early part of the century were scrutinized. On suspicion that it was alien manipulation, an intelligence operation was put into motion to penetrate the secrecy surrounding the event. The United States utilized its Vatican moles that had been recruited and nutured during WWII and soon obtained the entire Vatican study which included the prophecy. This prophecy stated that if man did not turn from evil and place himself at the feet of Christ the planet would self-destruct and the events described in the book of Revelations would indeed come to pass. It stated that a child would be born who would unite the world with a plan for world peace and a false religion beginning in 1992. By 1995 the people would discern that he was evil and was indeed the Anti-Christ. World War III would begin in the Middle East in 1995 with an invasion of Israel by a United Arab nation using coventional weapons which would culminate in a nuclear holocaust in the year 1999. Between 1999 and 2003 most of the life on this planet would suffer horribly and die as a result. The return of Christ would occure in the year 2011.

"When the aliens were confronted with this finding they confirmed that it was true. The aliens explained that they had created us through hybridization and had manipulated the human race through religion, satanism, witchcraft, magic, and the occult. They further explained that they were capable of time travel andthe events would indeed come to pass. Later exploitation of alien technology by the United States and the Soviet Union utilizing time travel confirmed the prophecy. The aliens showed a hologram which they claimed was the actual crucifixion of Christ, which the government filmed. We did not know whether to believe them or not. Were they using GENUINE religions to manipulate us? Or, were they indeedthe source of our religions with which they had been manipulating us all along? Or, was this the beginning of the genuine END TIMES and the RETURN OF CHRIST which had been predicted in the Bible? No one knew the answer. " - Cooper affidavit, THE SECRET GOVERNMENT, May 23, 1989.

491 posted on 11/08/2001 10:17:18 AM PST by scottiewottie
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To: scottiewottie
Just why do you defend this guy?
Where do you ascertain that I'm "defending" the man? I've been trying to show you that you are belittling a dead man, despite your objections to the contrary, who is unable to defend himself.
You are the one trying to argue about what he said. You can't seem to get past that. Is what he said that damaging to you? No one is forcing you to believe anything he said are they?
Give it a rest. You are trying to "debunk" something you don't even have to read or believe, yet you are intent on questioning everything about the man.
492 posted on 11/08/2001 10:32:25 AM PST by philman_36
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To: philman_36
After reading the well over fifty posts that you have registered in this thread alone, I agree, You are not defending the dead man. You are concerned because a brother has fallen and you think any unkind words in here are coming from people that you might consider your enemy.

Now that is worth defending! Don't ask any hard questions, just know they are out to clean things up and expose the rats for the vermin they are!

Sorry, I like to do a bit of homework. I am fascinated with Cooper types because they are trying to figure things out. I share the same curiousity for routing out truth that they possess.

My skepiticism has nothing to do with a statist protection of any kind, to the contrary I like to prepare myself and educate others. It appears that you presume otherwise of me, sorry for the confusion. You are right, I need give it a rest, you have no answers and I can do without the bogey man scrutiny. It is a tragedy that a man that so loved his country would find himself destroyed by people paid to defend his liberty.

I apologize for appearing to you to be something that I am not!

493 posted on 11/08/2001 12:35:13 PM PST by scottiewottie
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To: scottiewottie
It appears that you presume otherwise of me, sorry for the confusion.
It appears that you presume otherwise of me, sorry for the confusion.
Seems that in some things we think alike.
494 posted on 11/08/2001 1:07:53 PM PST by philman_36
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To: 2sheep
(I see what you mean now! Thanks for clueing me in)
495 posted on 12/17/2001 4:45:22 PM PST by ChaseR
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To: scottiewottie

In case anyone else come across this, as I have, I would like to add a few things.

When examining The William Coopers, Myron Fagans, Alex Jones and Michael Moores of the world, many people tend to get sidetracked on thier differences, instead of the common ground they share.

No one has the complete answer. However if you look at the common similiarities, everything fits together quite like a puzzel.

In the late 60s Myron Fagans expose, which can easily be found on the internet, layed out how the Illuminati planned the overthrowing of all governments. It can be traced to Adam Weishaupt, finaced by House of Rothschild, when Weishaupt a Jesuit Priest was recruited to revise The Old Protocols of Zion in the 1776.

This can be verified in history when the Illuminatis plans to overthrow the Bavarian goverment were discovered when a courier with the secret plans was actually struck by lightning and killed en route.The Bavarian goverment eventually got wind of these documents and after verifying the truth of the documnets, outlawed and kicked out of the country The Illuminati.

One of Weishaupts and his Illuminatis strongest defenders, when they were exiled, was a man named Thomas Jefferson.

So then you jump ahead to the mid 40s and you see the creation of The Federal Reserve, The CFR,UN, CIA. Who heads and runs these groups??

Do your research. It will only have one result.

The same result people like William Cooper astonishingly found.

The CFR and our CIA are run by:

Knights Of Malta, Masons,Skull and Bones member, etc etc

Is it a coincidence that every president in History is a direct descendent of European Royal Blood?

Is it a coincidence we have 2 Bonesman right now suppossedly "fighting" over the presidency?

Men like Cooper likely were being bombarded with as much dis-information as he was legitimate information and im sure any person would have a difficult time discerning between the two 100% of the time.

Illuminati guides the world down a path of destruction and most people dont even know they exist..'You shall indeed hear but never understand, and you shall indeed see but never perceive. For this people's heart has grown dull, and their ears are heavy of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should perceive with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and turn for me to heal them. 'But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear. Truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. Matthew 13:14-17

RIP Bill Cooper


496 posted on 10/10/2004 11:44:57 AM PDT by EducatedPatriot
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To: Fighting Falcons
are u kidding me? have u read all the posts from william cooper? the guy sounds like a raving idiot. Talking about different types of Alien species and such... Don't u think if the government was involved in such things that they would have never let him leave the CIA? All of you should be spanked for believing this fool. William Cooper was nothing more than a sad little boy that watched way too much star wars and star trek and tried to get everyone else to believe it. Where is the mans proof? A bunch of supposed Top Secret documents he read while being in the CIA? If you all believe this, you should check yourself into a mental health facility and get checked out soon... This is the dumbest thing i have ever heard in my many years on this earth. Instead of spending your time at the computer so much, you should go to church, listen to the good book, not more of this ranting/raving little kid that didn't get enough attention as a boy. Thats all there is too it. There is no massive conspiracy, just a bunch of idiots following an even bigger idiot. William Cooper deserved to die when he pulled a gun on the police, just as anyone else, no conspiracy, no hit men, no government "spooks" this is just dumb and i am not gonna waste anymore of my time listening to your ranting and ravings. Just grow up and find a new cause to fight. Quit being so gullible and get a job.
497 posted on 08/18/2005 12:07:42 PM PDT by trisk
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To: trisk
I believe that the person you are trying to post to was kicked off this site some time in the past.

Perhaps for being the bacon and cheese Bilderberg'er eating nutbar that you have surmised them to be.

498 posted on 08/18/2005 12:38:29 PM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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