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Fury as Bush keeps key to the archives
The Guardian (England) ^ | November 3, 2001 | Matthew Engel

Posted on 11/03/2001 7:03:54 AM PST by liberallarry

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To: liberallarry
OH brother more from the British press. Too bad Diana's dead- now they have nothing better to do then act like they know what's going on on this side of the pond.
21 posted on 11/04/2001 9:48:10 PM PST by lawgirl
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To: FrysGuy
I am convinced that if Clintoon wanted them released they were anti-american.

Do you think they alert Clinton by letter or just a phone call that they need him to "tee the ball" as it were in cases like this?

Why would Clinton care about release of possibly upsetting GOP-era archives?

23 posted on 11/04/2001 9:55:26 PM PST by Askel5
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To: lawgirl
"OH brother more from the British press. Too bad Diana's dead- now they have nothing better to do then act like they know what's going on on this side of the pond."

No. I saw it in the American press awhile ago, and it may already have been posted.

The question of how much of the inner workings of our government, the motives and actions of our leaders, should be known to us is a legitimate and fundamental question. It has a lot to do with what separates us from tyranny.

25 posted on 11/05/2001 5:55:05 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: Black Jade
This is not a good thing.
27 posted on 11/06/2001 3:01:11 PM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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To: Native American Female Vet
**Ping**
28 posted on 11/06/2001 3:02:03 PM PST by TwoStep
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To: IVote2
I don't know why GW has done this

GW is protecting Poppa. Those documents would include Iran-Contra.

29 posted on 11/06/2001 3:04:12 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Black Jade
If "family protection" is going to be the basis for deciding what the public has the right to know, we might as well hold a coronation. We don't have a royal family who can treat this country as their own fiefdom.

Sounds more like the Mob to me.

30 posted on 11/06/2001 3:08:04 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Black Jade
This is family protection racket par excellence! This is NOT in the best interests of the country nor of the constitution. This is a disgrace. We must bear witness and not turn a blind eye to this trashing of our rights. This is NOT a police state!! I Clinton had done this we would have rightly said this stinks to high heaven. We cannot say differently now.
31 posted on 11/06/2001 4:46:48 PM PST by Gimlet
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To: Black Jade
I definately see your point. The thing I was getting at, is that if he is going to have to fight off charges by people that use his family name to attack him, he may be justified in defering the publics right to know.
32 posted on 11/06/2001 8:29:48 PM PST by tjg
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To: Carry_Okie
What a bunch of jerks you all are. Your immediate reaction is an assumption of corrupt behavior. We are now in the middle of a war with a dingbat who's just left office who would have no compunctions about continuing to sink this country. And a Democrat party more concerned about politics than our national security.

Bush has given every indication that he takes his job of providing national security very very seriously. And I think this is the basis of the order.

On the other hand, the mainstream media has shown NO concern for our survival. Naturally, they'll stick their thumbs in their mouths and cry "But that material is OURS!"

Grow up!

36 posted on 11/07/2001 5:00:18 AM PST by WaterDragon
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To: liberallarry
Anyone remember the emails that never got archived by the Clinton administration? Wonder if those were meant to be destroyed? Are these papers handwritten or stored on computer? Wonder what else might have been accidently deleted (besides emails) in all those computers by the Clintons? No wonder Clinton is so comfortable speaking out, huh?
37 posted on 11/07/2001 5:28:17 AM PST by Danette
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What a bunch of jerks you all are. Your immediate reaction is an assumption of corrupt behavior. We are now in the middle of a war with a dingbat who's just left office who would have no compunctions about continuing to sink this country. And a Democrat party more concerned about politics than our national security.

Did you approve of building the heroin trade in order to prosecuting a failing war in Laos? Did it work? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to have made the sale to the American people by communicating with them forthrightly instead of financing it with crime, drug abuse, single parentage, or a dependent class of destroyed lives? Did you approve prosecution of a temporarily successful effort to rid Nicaragua of Daniel Ortega by flooding America with cheap cocaine? Have you noticed who is running Panama, or that Ortega is making a comeback? Wouldn't it have been cheaper than filling our jails?

Bush has given every indication that he takes his job of providing national security very very seriously. And I think this is the basis of the order.

Really? Has he closed the Mexican border? Has he taken immediate action to corral Arab illegals that are still crossing it in droves? No? The Federal Government is not the source of our national security. Citizens are. Citizens were the only force that prevented one of those highjeckings from achieving its goal. It sure as hell wasn't Andrews Air Force Base across the street from the Pentagon. They couldn't even find two guys with Stingers with over an hour and a half of advance notice! What has Bush done to empower citizens? Instead Ashcroft grabs a bunch of unconstitutional provisions off the shelf where Reno left it and jams them through the Senate!

Wake up.

38 posted on 11/07/2001 7:34:11 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: WaterDragon
I trust Bush's intentions with this order.

I believe this is a serious mistake and so would John Adams:

"They have a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge; I mean of the characters and conduct of their rulers. Rulers are no more than attorneys, agents and trustees, for the people; and if the cause, the interest and trust is insidiously betrayed or wantonly trifled away, the people have have a right to revoke the authority that they themselves have deputed.""

A self-governing people cannot agree to let rulers keep governmental actions secret, even if they believe they can "trust" them. And I do not mean by this the temporary withholding of information about defense activities or wartime negotiations. Human nature is such that we can be assured the power of governmental secrecy will be abused. A people gives up its ability to hold its government accountable if it consents to such secrecy and by so doing it gives in to despotism.

39 posted on 11/07/2001 7:52:32 AM PST by politeia
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To: Black Jade
Exactly. And the second question; is the answer the same in peace time as it is in war time?
40 posted on 11/07/2001 8:34:54 AM PST by tjg
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