Posted on 10/25/2001 7:56:58 AM PDT by marshmallow
"We should agree we disgree on theology (our disagreements are really MINOR ones in comparison to what we have in common), stop quarreling and bickering among ourselves, and face together our common enemy - the harbringer of a new Dark Age - the Islamic plague."
And one more thing...I never stated that I was the center of the Catholics world, I was trying to establish some kind of end to the "rancour of this discussion".
As usuallly is the case, with some of you Roman Catholics....one of you JUST HAS to get some kind of "dirty dig" in AT ANY PERSON who does NOT belong to your Church. That person being ME!! I am highly offended by your SNIDE remarks.
I believe that I am seeing WHY the Orthodox Christians find so many of you, Roman Catholics REPUNGANT AND PUSHY....this does not include MY OWN, RC relatives who absolutely ADORE the Orthodox Church, the Lutheran Church and the Mennonites, the Salvation Army.... and their own Church, of course....THANK GOD!!
I think you need NEVER reply to me again...I dislike you very much.
How do the orthodox relate to the Jews today?
I'm not trying to start an argument, just trying to settle quesitons in my own mind.
It is a shame that the catholic church can't backpeddle and annul doctrine developed post-1000 or so. I know a lot of catholics would have a fit and stomp and scream but I wouldn't have a particular problem with it. It will never happen. Too neat and tidy and purifying.
Would not that one action alone qualify him as a false prophet? He has done so much good on so many levels but the christian faith cannot be compromised. It is something I'm trying to resolve in my own mind. I have so much respect for him about much he has done otherwise.
I would " think" it would be more necessary to a land that is suffering over wars between Catholics and Protestants. I'm asking this question very seriously, to my knowledge he has never gone there, has he ?
All bishops are vicars of Christ, because they follow in the footsteps of the Apostles, of whom Our Lord said, "Who hears you, hears me."
That includes your bishops, too.
Many Orthodox priests were martyred, true. May they pray for all of us.
On the other hand, some "Orthodox" bishops and patriarchs drew their salary from the KGB.
Also on the other hand, the Catholic Church within the ex-USSR was virtually exterminated. We lost thousands of priests just in Spain, just due to the communist revolution supported there by Stalin.
As an aside, concerning Fatima. The Orthodox get very excited because they assume "Russia will be converted" means "Russia will become Catholic". However, the visionary Sr. Lucia indicates that "the conversion of Russia" may have already taken place. It seems that "the conversion of Russia" really meant her "conversion" (i.e., "turning away") from communism, rather than her "conversion to Catholicism" or even her "re-conversion to Orthodoxy".
Wow, the last time I heard this little number it was coming from the Jehovah's Witnesses. Funny company you put yourself in, there, Stavka2.
Let's see ... Hitler excommunicated himself by committing acts of violence against priests and religious, beginning not later than 1934. He formally defected from the Catholic Church on several occasions, not least when he declared in his "Table Talk" that he was "a pure heathen" and denied that he was a Christian at all. (What he said in his public speeches is really rather worthless ... he was a liar, you recall.) The fact that he had formally defected makes his excommunication meaningless under any circumstances; we can't "excommunicate" pagans ... can you?
And -- I'm amazed that you don't know this -- the Bull of Excommunication of 1054 excommunicated only the Patriarch of Constantinople, not "two thirds of Christendom" ... but in reality, it excommunicated nobody at all, because the Pope under whose authority it was issued was dead by that time, and had no authority to excommunicate anyone.
As far as German belt buckles saying "Gott mit uns," they'd carried that legend long before the Nazis arrived. And Germany was predominantly Lutheran, not Catholic, and Hitler drew the majority of his votes in Germany's last free election from the Lutheran districts (north and east), not the Catholic ones (south and west).
And I'm not even going to bother refuting the lies about Pope Pius XII ... Rabbi David Dalin does it much better than I can. You can find his article with the search engine.
Somebody's taught you a lot of nonsense, I'm sorry to say.
Two reasons: (1) The IRA is a bunch of Marxists and anarchists who don't take their orders from the Pope, so it wouldn't do any good; and (2) the Protestants would have a cow, so it would do a great deal of harm.
Glory to God! Thanks for sharing this.
I prefer holy men in backwood huts, hopefully part of a monastic community, but not always.
JP2 would do well to study St Seraphim at length, and it wouldn't hurt him to read several times The Way of the Pilgrim. But then again perhaps he suffers from mental deterioration at his advanced age...
Thanks for a good laugh this morning!
I have mostly been paying attention to what he has been doing. Like making a habit of visiting traditional Orthodox countries, often against their wishes. That strikes you as humility?
Then he chooses Ziggy Brezinski as a companion to visit the hotbed of Ukraine and in honor of his visit an Orthodox church is scheduled to be leveled supposedly to make room for JP2 to speak in the city. That strikes you as honorable behavior? You have my pity.
By the way, Ziggy is in bed with at least one major oil company and hates Russians with a passion. Some way to get yourself invited to Russia, eh? And there was/is a major oil pipeline being debated in Ukraine just before the time of JP2's visit.
Methinks JP2 has been delving into some worldly behaviors even beyond his excessive need for publicity and ecumenical leadership. Whether intentionally or not.
By the way, hope this answers your questions about why Russia didn't want him to come visit.
But why??? Is it humble to force yourself on others when you are unwanted? Is it holy? What do you call it? I teach my children that this behavior is rude. Agreed on the shameful behavior of the monks.
Yes, we are a passive faith and a nonworldly one. But it sure beats thinking you are more powerful than God in making world changes, or more knowledgeable than God as to which changes are necessary.
Well at least they didn't beatify more than one of them. (And isn't that the funniest thing - choosing your own saints instead of letting God do it?)
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