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911 Rang Again - A review of the PBS Video Series Evolution
Institute for Creation Research ^ | Wednesday, Oct 17, 2001 | Ken Cumming PhD, Biology

Posted on 10/17/2001 5:24:59 AM PDT by ThinkPlease

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To: rwfromkansas
IT still amazes me how these "atheists" and "evolutionists" proclaim how open-minded they are, but they can't stand for anyone to have an opinion that is against there own, especially in the learning centers of our nation.

I assume you meant to reply to someone else; your comments are unrelated to what I wrote.

121 posted on 10/23/2001 10:11:06 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: PatrickHenry
the rational segment. Yeah, you are the segment that can't stand to have any opposing viewpoints aired in the schools because you are so scared people may begin to think critically and examine the issue on their own!!!!
122 posted on 10/23/2001 3:34:41 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: rwfromkansas
Your anti-Christian views are quite apparent.

I'm sorry that I keep my religion and science separate.
ID is a clever hoax to sell books. That's a fact.

123 posted on 10/23/2001 4:02:50 PM PDT by dbbeebs
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To: rwfromkansas
... you are so scared people may begin to think critically and examine the issue on their own!!!!

The day you creationists ever start to do that is the day there will be no more creationists.

124 posted on 10/23/2001 4:09:13 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: dbbeebs
Supporters of Evolution are able to come forward with evidence in support of their thesis,

Creationists just come forward with a collection of long discreditied talking points and a delightful array of scam artists

Creationists just say "I know I am right, I can't prove it so just take my word for it"

Evolutionists on the otherhand can produce mountains of evidence in support of their theroy.

Creationists are not taken seriously because they don't deserve to be taken seriously, They are going to need more than Ken Hamm's little slideshow and blind faith to win over believers!

125 posted on 10/23/2001 4:13:50 PM PDT by ContentiousObjector
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To: PatrickHenry
I used to believe evolution. It was my own research and investigation that led me to believe in creation.
126 posted on 10/23/2001 5:25:55 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: rwfromkansas
In other words you were born again, that doesn't count as research
127 posted on 10/23/2001 5:37:19 PM PDT by ContentiousObjector
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To: ContentiousObjector
Don't put words in my mouth.
128 posted on 10/23/2001 5:38:30 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: rwfromkansas
I don't need to put words in your mouth, I can read you characters like a book
129 posted on 10/23/2001 5:43:29 PM PDT by ContentiousObjector
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To: rwfromkansas
I used to believe evolution.

Yeah, sure. "I usually agree with you, Rush, but ..." It's a classic line. I've never met a person who abandoned rationality, and I don't think you've traveled that road, although you make the claim.

Although I tend not to believe creationists (because their peculiar belief system requires too much denial and distortion to make them credible) it is remotely possible that you believed evolution, as if it were just another cult. But in that case you never understood evolution. So in your mind, you just switched cults. That's not much of an intellectual accomplishment.

130 posted on 10/23/2001 6:14:57 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: Diamond
"Simply put, it is reasonable to believe in the law of cause and effect. If human beings have any real personhood, dignity, worth, purpose, and significance, there must be efficient cause. In my opinion, an impersonal cosmic accident is not a sufficient cause." -- Diamond

The sufficient cause is evolution. The "cosmic accident" is a bit removed in time from the arrival of man-like organisms. Man makes his own meaning and is perfectly capable of according himself and others dignity, worth, purpose and significance. "Real personhood" is exactly what we have -- how can it be otherwise? The proof of the existence of human virtue is provided by the variety of ways it is expressed in different cultures and at different times. It is especially apparent as it contrasts with those people and cultures in which it is conspicuously lacking. In other words, virtue must be learned and depends on the period and the environment.

"...there is no philosophical basis for even defining or understanding such events as 'atrocities' based on a presupposition of pure naturalism. " -- Diamond

Sure there is. Entropy bad. Work good.

"A gigantic, impersonal source provides no rational foundation for distinguishing between cruelty and kindness." -- Diamond

You don't need a giant impersonal source. All you need is a small personal source -- a human being.

"In the same way, it seems no less natural to seek a rational explanation of the cause of some of the characteristics of human nature that we know intuitively such as personhood, with its attendant attributes of worth, dignity, meaning, significance, good, evil, hope, etc." -- Diamond

Seek your cause in the evolution of humans from our protohuman ancestors. Examine the Chimpanzee as an example of an approximate starting point. They behave a lot like humans with all the same emotions. All they really need to join our ranks are slightly better communication skills. They also don't seem to be concerned about where their dignity or "apehood" comes from.

"If after a person is dead he just rots into nothingness, what difference does it make to HIM then whether he has reproduced or not? None whatsover. There is ultimately no point to any of it." -- Diamond

When he is dead he no longer exists. But while he lives and if he has reproduced it will matter very much to him what happens in this world. Nihilism offers nothing by way of direction or meaning. Recognizing that there is no "ultimate" meaning or point to life doesn't require a man to accept the notion that life is not worth living. A man can easily be satisfied with a small purpose -- raising a happy, beautiful child, for example.

"I have enjoyed our conversation, and I hope you have, too." -- Diamond

Yes, thank you.

131 posted on 10/24/2001 4:17:07 PM PDT by Vercingetorix
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