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St. Petersburg Times ^ | October 2, 2001 | staff

Posted on 10/02/2001 12:10:11 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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1 posted on 10/02/2001 12:10:12 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Academic freedom does not include the freedom to harbor terrorists.
2 posted on 10/02/2001 12:14:27 PM PDT by Lexington Green
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Al-Arian and Al-Najjar are not U.S. citizens....

That's all I need to know for now. Detain them until all relevant information they may possess has been extracted from them - preferably by their cooperation -- and then deport them, give them one way tickets to Afghanistan or Iran. Can you say "bye-bye"? I knew you could!

3 posted on 10/02/2001 12:18:58 PM PDT by CatoRenasci
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This is a bizarre article. It admits that the people brought in preached violence towards others. Than, in the next breath, it states that that should be okay. Do these people even know what they are saying? Can the KKK be brought in to discuss killing Catholics and blacks? Hey, it's just an unpopular idea! These people are dangerous and should be looked into by any and all law enforcement.
4 posted on 10/02/2001 12:19:54 PM PDT by 7thson
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This is a bizarre article. It admits that the people brought in preached violence towards others. Than, in the next breath, it states that that should be okay. Do these people even know what they are saying?

That's the kicker. I think they do. The flower children of the 60's are instructing our children.

5 posted on 10/02/2001 12:27:02 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Lexington Green
Neither, apparently, does it include freedom to air views outside the Politically Correct domain of the fossilized relics of the sixties who are imbedded in these re-education camps that were once Universities.

Where were the cries for "academic freedom" when the leftists were trashing the campus newspapers for running David Horowitz's PAID ads ? Like the old "you can buy any color ford you want as long as it's black". Academic Tyranny welcomes all world views, as long as they are atheistic, socialistic and communistic.

The utter hypocrisy and gall of these whited sepulchres is blindingly maddening.

6 posted on 10/02/2001 12:30:41 PM PDT by prov1813man
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To: Lexington Green, CatoRenasci
Hard to fathom how out of control our schools are.
7 posted on 10/02/2001 12:31:56 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: prov1813man bump
BUMP!
8 posted on 10/02/2001 12:32:57 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Makes you wonder how much money these various Arabic terrorist groups have donated to the Jake Reno for Governor funds!

When the FBI finally gets time to investigate who donates to Arab Terrorist organizations and whom these Arab terrorists donate to, will make Ludlum/Clancy look like first graders in their books re treason/terrorism up to now!

Of course we know that one of the organizations contributed $50,000 to Jake Reno's boyfriend/girl friend Hilldebeast in her 2000 run for senate!

Isn't amazing that Jake Reno refused to look at this guy as a terrorist, yet she focused a large % of her resources to go after Bill Gates who gives millions to charities. Oh yeah, he was a rich white guy who didn't contribute mass funds to the DNC and the Clintoons!

Jake Reno focused on white male Christian Americans as the most dangerous people to America and turn off any investigations into the Arabs in America who advocated violence against America and Jews like this advocate of violence, "Al-Arian himself sometimes has been given to violent rhetoric, such as this 1988 speech excerpt quoted by O'Reilly: "Death to Israel. Revolution. Revolution until victory. Rolling to Jerusalem."

Follow the money when it comes to American Arabs advocating death to Israel and Americans who support Israel. That rhetoric help to mass murder the 6,000 victims on 9/11!

If Jake Reno was our AG, he/she/it would not be blaming the murderous Arabs who directed and funded this mass murder. She would be focusing on evil right wing conservatives, (white Christain Males)!

9 posted on 10/02/2001 12:38:45 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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You have that right. She'd be investigating profiling and alleged campus attacks on foreign students.
10 posted on 10/02/2001 12:45:17 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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I would think that Bin Laden and is people don't even rise to the level of armed seditionists. They may rise to the level of rabid dogs, but even that is suspect.

Why the rush to guarantee the benefits of the Bill of Rights to a swamp filled with pigs?

Oh, I get it. Janet Reno is involved.

11 posted on 10/02/2001 12:48:22 PM PDT by Channel_Islands_EANx_Diver
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The 'Devil's Advocate' in me surfaces from time to time ...

No ideas -- even those of people preaching political violence -- should be censored in an academic setting.

So, then, based on that standard: nationalist 'radicals' with non-mainstream ideology such as Kazinski, McVeigh, Weaver, and Duke should be afforded equal access to the academic environment to espouse their views ....

By the by: I thought we wanted violence OUT of the school system ...

12 posted on 10/02/2001 12:54:06 PM PDT by BlueNgold
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Al-Arian and Al-Najjar are not U.S. citizens, but they deserve the same presumption of innocence as any other U.S. resident.Herein lies the problem -- we cannot profile them, we cannot detain them, we cannot deport them without a trial; we cannot even keep them out of the US.

How about an indefinite moratorium on immigration until we can feel safe in our own homes again?

13 posted on 10/02/2001 12:59:34 PM PDT by browardchad
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I'm wondering, why the need to fill our schools with anti-American thought?
We're graduating students who can't write a decent paper. Where's the uproar about that?
14 posted on 10/02/2001 1:00:51 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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How about an indefinite moratorium on immigration until we can feel safe in our own homes again?

Think about Los Alamos and all the "educational exchange" that went on there.

15 posted on 10/02/2001 1:02:41 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Exactly ... I think you see my point ... secondary education, to many of those who teach and manage these institutions, is no longer about the basics of education. Liberals have considered the collegiate system as the rightful and accepted domain of political activism. (However, when that activism does not match with their thoughts or theories then it is not acceptable. Note that you do not see sponsored activities by the Nazi Youth on college campuses.) If you look at their rhetoric what they are defending is their right to teach in an activist manner. If we begin to clamp down on academic activism then student populations may return to a pre-60's paradigm of conservatism since they will not be guided along the academic path by activist liberals.

To a liberal educator a podium is akin to a pulpit .. and from it they preach idealogy as fact...

This is just one more skeleton that was exposed when those planes blew the doors off our national closet.

16 posted on 10/02/2001 1:12:32 PM PDT by BlueNgold
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Al-Arian is correct when he argues that Arab and Palestinian points of view deserve equal standing in every university's Middle Eastern studies department. No ideas -- even those of people preaching political violence -- should be censored in an academic setting.

No, ideas stand or fall on their own merits. None deserve "equal standing."

True, it is useful to take into account different views when evaluating ideas and positions, but this intellectual and moral relativism is repugnant.

Unfortunately, it is also rampant on our campuses.

Far too many people (especially students) believe in this fuzzy intellectual and moral equivalence.

Intellectual judgment is not censorship.

Ideas, like people, gain or lose respect, they don't automatically deserve respect.

17 posted on 10/02/2001 1:15:44 PM PDT by DrNo
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Communists Should Not Teach In American Colleges - 1949

Well, they did, and now we have this kind of thought:

The Progressive Challenge: Linking grassroots activists, scholars, and the Congressional Progressive Caucus
toward a multi-issue movement for fairness and justice for all.

18 posted on 10/02/2001 1:21:26 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: DrNo bump
BUMP!
19 posted on 10/02/2001 1:22:48 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Oh, I get it. Janet Reno is involved.

Diversity in motion. It's pretty revoltin'.

20 posted on 10/02/2001 1:24:46 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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