Posted on 01/07/2004 7:12:30 AM PST by Aurelius
While you have no way of checking the veracity of any claim I might make to my own ancestry--I wouldn't have any way of checking yours. We only have the words on a screen.
Characterizing the Cherokees during Jackson's time, and during the Civil War, as having some sort of Napoleonic brilliance of military strategy is your variation on the sentimentalized "noble Red Man"-- and is actually far more condescending than characterizing them as savage.
I've watched Gods and Generals about 15 times...but I only watch the Jackson scenes, which means I get done in about 90 minutes.
Stephen Lang is phenomenal as both Jackson and Pickett in Gettysburg. I've seen him in other things. He is a terrific actor. One of the best.
After Jackson, I like JEB Stuart. What a character! LOL!
Total BS! You were referring to them fighting the British then the French, or was it the other way around? Not a historian, but I think they were happy to fight against either side and fought for the side that gave them guns, simple as that. I did not try to make then noble, their voracity was as bad actually worse than the white man, but the white man was better educated and should have known better, but then again it was a more primitive time. Hopefully we as humans will know better the next time. However I do believe that the Cherokees were much better educated than most Indian tribes and their leaders capable of writing a declaration of war, something you seem to doubt. Or was that someone else?
Who had to have drawn his scene from the memoir, was my point. Especially since there were only two people present for the first part of the meeting, before Longstreet took Harrison to see General Lee.
Non-Sequitur's post had to do with Jeff Shaara's book "Gods and Generals." It was Jeff in "Gods and Generals" who did not source Longstreet's book.
The Longstreet/Harrison dialogue was in "The Killer Angels" written by Michael Shaara. I don't know Michael's sources for his book, but I believe it would be safe to say that Michael did read and source Longstreet's book.
You hit on one of the reasons why people quoting slave ownership statistics in the south as a reason why slavery could not have been a reason for the rebellion are so wrong. On the fact of it, if only 6% or 7% of the people owned slaves then how could they go to war over it. But those 6% or 7% had families and those families derived benefit from the chattel so that in the end in some states upwards of half the population probably benefitted directly from slavery. Likewise with your car. Only a fraction of your total family may be a car owner but 100% receive direct benefit from car ownership.
You're welcome.
not a few women served the TRUE CAUSE as well;women have always been accepted as warriors in our tradition.
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Dora Gray stated to me in 1991 that a survey of the tribal membership in the WBTS period indicates that almost every male, capable of bearing arms, did so for the TRUE CAUSE. MANY Cherokee women also served in the military forces of the CSA.
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if what you say is truthful, rather than your usual self-serving, arrogant, pro-damnyankee propaganda, why are there NO TAX RECORDS of slave ownership in his county of residence in either the General's or his wife's name????
their complete Personal Property Tax returns are in the records, but alas for you & the other damnyankee propagandists there are NO SLAVES listed for ANY year.
the Commonwealth of Virginia ALWAYS taxed slaves as personal property each year, as did each of the counties, chartered cities & the several independent towns/townships. (FYI, chartered cities,towns & townships in VA are NOT a portion or political subdivision of the county in which the independent city/township is located.)
the short answer is that the concept/construct of "the general's slaves" are a PACK of LIES, dreamed up by the usual clique of southHATERS, liars & wishful thinkers. nothing more, nothing less.
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i see no need to re-type the same response.
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my ancestor, William James "Little Thunder" Freeman, late of the 1st Cherokee Mounted Rifles & the 4th MO Partisan Rangers, was a traditional Cherokee warrior.
Little thunder was illiterate in English, though he spoke/read/wrote Tslagi after TWBTS (his wife taught him to read & write in the 1870s).
nonetheless, he WELL UNDERSTOOD the NECESSITY of freeing the southland & the Cherokee Nation from the arrogant, hateFILLED, self-righteous,intrusive, imperialist damnyankees, who constantly schemed for any advantage against the people of dixie & the several Indian nations.
from the point of view of the typical Cherokee man there was NO honorable alternative to war, after 1855 in either the South or the Trans-Mississippi West.
that too is TRUTH!
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a local "lady", who is currently a "guest of the Commonwealth, in a room for which she has no suitable key", is named:
Red Corvette Hazlle.
when i saw that in the local newspaper, i LOL!
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as the "filth that flowed down from the north" raged through the southland, like a pack of rabid swine,committing robberies, looting,burning & "running off stock", as well as assaulting,raping,torturing,sodomizing & MURDERING the blacks,browns,reds,jews,roman catholics,recent immigrants & the poorest of the poor of the southland on a wholesale basis, much of the Cherokee's (and other tribe's) warlike response to the invasion and avalance of WAR CRIMES was SELF-PRESERVATION!
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