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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers Quantrill's Raid (8/21/1863) - May 18th, 2003
http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/archives/1912/q/quantrills_raid.html ^

Posted on 05/18/2003 12:00:04 AM PDT by SAMWolf

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To: Lee Heggy
The worst thing you could call someone when I was a kid was 'Jayhawker'.

heh heh. Thanks for sharing a little MO history with us. I like the tune....

61 posted on 05/19/2003 12:35:13 PM PDT by stainlessbanner (keep your powder dry)
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To: SAMWolf
I grew up in Olathe, where Quantrill's boys were none too popular. Go Jayhawks!
62 posted on 05/19/2003 2:05:04 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker
Afternoon Colorado tanker.

Sure seems there was a lot of animosity between Kansas and Missouri
63 posted on 05/19/2003 2:11:27 PM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (T)ell your boss it was a virus....)
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To: SAMWolf
Sure seems there was a lot of animosity between Kansas and Missouri

It was terrible during the "Bleeding Kansas" days, but by the time I was growing up it was more of a rivalry. Kansas was dry, so all the best restaurants were in Missouri. On the other hand, the nicest suburbs were in Kansas.

I saw the Bond film Diamonds are Forever in a theatre in Kansas City, Missouri. When the bad guy wanted to demonstrate his death ray to Bond he looked up where his satelite was located and said, "its over Kansas, well if we destroyed Kansas no one would notice." The theatre went crazy with laughter. (He decided to destroy Washington, but of course Bond stopped him.)

64 posted on 05/19/2003 2:18:05 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker
I guess it's sorta like the Illinois/Wisconsin rivalry.


65 posted on 05/19/2003 2:25:14 PM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (T)ell your boss it was a virus....)
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To: SAMWolf
I guess it's sorta like the Illinois/Wisconsin rivalry.

It's similar, today, Sam.

The problem back in the 1850's was that Congress opened up Kansas and Nebraska to the theory of "popular sovereingty," the Douglas Democrat's solution to slavery. So, the people who would settle Kansas would decide if it would be free or slave. Missouri was a slave state. The slave states knew that if they didn't extend slavery into the western territories the day would come when there would be more free states than slave and the free states would dominate the Senate. The abolitionists decided the battle to stop the spread of slavery would be fought in Kansas. It was a life or death struggle not only for the individuals but also for the points of view they represented.

The free soilers won Kansas. As a result after the Civil War Kansas became solidly Republican and Missouri became part of the Democrats' "Solid South."

A hack from the Pendergast Democratic machine in Kansas City became a Senator from Missouri. When Roosevelt needed to boot his socialist Vice President, Wallace, off the ticket he wanted a more conservative Democrat from the heartland to balance the ticket and settled on Harry Truman. So, the man who grew up in Quantrill's stamping grounds became the President who decided to confront and oppose the Soviet Union in the Cold War with the policy of containment. (Some Presidents from former slave states, like Truman and Bush are pleasant surprises, some like Carter and Clinton are unpleasant surprises.)

Truman never forgot his origins. After the Truman presidency whenever the press wanted a juicy quote about a prominent Republican, they'd go out to Independence, Missouri, and get an earful from Harry.

66 posted on 05/19/2003 2:46:12 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker
I remember reading about "Bleeding Kansas".

There was a pretty good flick called "Ride with the Devil" our a while back that covered some of it.
67 posted on 05/19/2003 3:01:12 PM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (T)ell your boss it was a virus....)
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To: SAMWolf
"Outlaw Josey Wales" tells part of the Confederate side of the story. He was a Missouri farmer who was attacked by Jayhawkers and joins a guerilla band.
68 posted on 05/19/2003 3:26:35 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker
"Outlaw Josey Wales" is a good flick.
69 posted on 05/19/2003 4:08:37 PM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (T)ell your boss it was a virus....)
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To: dd5339
Yes, but its a great town to raise your kids.... SARCASM !
For the rest of you - BTW, I grew up there, when it wasn't so bad. Now we have anti war protesters marching in the streets with the Gay Pride banner boys and girls prancing along in front followed by the local government hacks, all progressive Demo-socialists. I moved, away, far away.
I work there, but live and spend my money elsewhere.
sarcasm off
70 posted on 05/19/2003 5:58:52 PM PDT by cavtrooper21 ("..he's not heavy, sir. He's my brother...")
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To: SAMWolf
Prior to this attack the pro-slavery farmers of Missouri had been continuously antagonized by the marrauding forces of Jim Lane and "Doc" Jennison's Jayhawkers

Two of my relatives (a father and son) were pulled from their beds, hauled outside, and shot dead in front of the women of the household by these Jayhawkers for no reason other than the suspicion that they might be sympathetic to the Southern cause. The roofs of the house and barns were set afire, leaving the women husbandless, fatherless, homeless, and penniless. The surviving men of the family (who were away at the time of the incident) either joined Quantrill or hit the Oregon Trail and moved West to escape this bloody period of our history. This tale is recounted in family letters that survive to this day.

My great grandmother told of visiting this branch of the family on a trip back to Missouri and being shown bloodstains on a stone wall, a remanant of the burnt out house. She was told that that is where her uncle and cousin died at the hands of the Jayhawkers.

71 posted on 05/20/2003 6:12:42 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Thanks for sharing some of your family history with us,afraidfortherepublic.

It makes the stories posted less impersonal.
72 posted on 05/20/2003 6:23:55 AM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (T)ell your boss it was a virus....)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Similar story on my mother's side. My great grandfather had five brothers. Four went off to war, (two survived) and the youngest stayed home to run the farm and take care of the women and kids. Jayhawkers rode in one night and on the suspicion of Southern intrests they dragged him out and hung him in front of his family and relatives. They stole everything they could carry and shot the livestock then set the barn and house on fire along with the body of the man they had just murdered.
73 posted on 05/20/2003 7:46:48 AM PDT by Lee Heggy (Kansas-sunshine, sunflowers and SOBs)
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