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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Battle of Lake Erie (9/10/1813)- April 21st, 2003
http://www.mywebman.com/tour/war/TheBattleofLakeErie.htm ^ | Douglas Large

Posted on 04/21/2003 5:34:33 AM PDT by SAMWolf

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To: Darksheare
Or she's looking at my "cheat sheet" of ideas.
61 posted on 04/21/2003 1:24:04 PM PDT by SAMWolf (We have met the enemy and they are the French)
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To: SAMWolf
At the time of the battle a few thousand people populated Cleveland and they knew from listening (( seventy miles away )) Perry had won because they could hear only the last guns going off were the big ones (( Niagara )) that only Perry had on the Niagara whose captain didn't follow the orders of battle (( close in combat only and they -- waiting for his demise )) which led to a long term fued that eventually ended in a duel!

Perry miraculously survived this betrayl ... the English ship had no undamaged skiff to board Perry --- but Perry had one left to take command of the Niagara. The winds shifting in his favor during the battle was a sign but earlier on when the English fleet was spotted and the American fleet left the Put in Bay island harbor to do battle on the way out of the harbor an Eagle soared off of the mast of the Lawrence and "God was with that man -- Perry" was what my mother said when she read the book I gave her -- exciting !

What was truly amazing how this fleet was built in the wilderness at Erie Pennsylvania ... supplied overland from Pittsburg (( just a village a hundred miles away )) and even from overland Buffalo because the English controlled the lake. Talk about supply lines from downstate New York -- East ! Ohio was barely a state by only a few years !


The 'harbor' at Erie was protected by a huge sandbar that exists to this day and the ships were seaworthy and free before they could be stopped.

The significance of the battle was the English fort at Detroit and their Indian allies could no longer be supplied and they had to evacuate to Canada. And in a very famous land 'battle' the English army (( never fired a shot -- somewhat liberated too )) was overtaken by Harrison (( later to become president )) and Perry .. Tecumseh was killed and all the 300 English soldiers were taken prisoners of war which was very instrumental in getting the English to accept a peace treaty which was their final acknowledgement of our independence.

On the lakeshore of Cleveland where I lived is a statue of Perry and a few cannons to commemorate what he and his fleet accomplished --- very little for a lot!

Even the English Captain who surrendered to Perry idolized Perry for his courage and achievement and he eventually had to face a messy inquiry and court martial back in England for what happened --- a great American victory by Perry at the battle of lake Erie !

Oh yeah ... the nuclear power plant east of Cleveland was named after him --- there was a 'bad (( 4 ))' earthquake there 15 years ago !
62 posted on 04/21/2003 1:24:25 PM PDT by f.Christian (( Evolution is whatever lie you want it to be. ))
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To: SAMWolf
We had a great Easter.

Yes kneezles and I have been very busy! We had a fun week last week. My sis and her husband were here visiting, so we did a lot of the tourist things. But, today it is back to the old routine...sigh.....


63 posted on 04/21/2003 1:27:22 PM PDT by SassyMom
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To: f.Christian
Thanks for all the additional info f.Christian.

It's amazing what the consequences of the naval battle was to the Land war.
64 posted on 04/21/2003 1:29:11 PM PDT by SAMWolf (We have met the enemy and they are the French)
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To: SAMWolf
Ensign John Charles England


He enlisted in the U.S. Naval Reserve as an Apprentice Seaman at Los Angles on September 6, 1940 After active duty training on board the USS New York from November 25, to December 21, 1940 he attended Naval Reserve Midshipman's School, New York, N.Y. and was appointed Midshipman, USNR, March 6, 1941. He completed his training on June 5 and was commissioned Ensign, USNR, June 6, 1941.
He was next assigned duty under instruction at the Naval Radio School, Norton Heights, Connecticut, reporting June 20, 1941. Upon detachment from school, he reported on September 3, 1941 to the USS Oklahoma at Pear Harbor.

USS OKLAHOMA BB-37


During this period he had also married and in early December he was eagerly awaiting the arrival of his wife and three week old daughter (Victoria Louise England) who were do to arrive in a few days. He had never seen his daughter.

On the morning of December 7, 1941, just four days from his 21st birthday John C. England volunteered to work in the ships radio room for a friend so that he might have more time with his family when they arrived. That morning the Japanese attacked Pear Harbor and the USS Oklahoma was one of their first targets.

Oklahoma was moored Battleship Row 7, outboard alongside Maryland. USS Oklahoma took 3 torpedo hits almost immediately after the first Japanese bombs fell. As she began to capsize, 2 more torpedoes struck home, and her men were strafed as they abandoned ship. Within 2O minutes after the attack began, she had swung over until halted by her masts touching bottom, her starboard side above water, and a part of her keel clear.

Ensign England survived the initial attack and escaped topside as the ship was capsizing. He remembered the men still in the radio room. He returned three times to the radio room, each time guiding a man to safety. He left to go back below decks for the fourth time and was never seen again. He was one of twenty officers and 395 enlisted men were killed on board USS Oklahoma that morning. Ensign England's gallant effort saved three, but cost him his life.

His family would hear of his death by Postal Telegram sent by Rear Admiral Nimitz on December 16, 1941.

USS England
(DE-635, later APD-41), 1943-1946
USS England, a 1400-ton Buckley class escort ship, was built at San Francisco, California. Commissioned in December 1943, she was assigned to escort and patrol duty in the south Pacific area early in 1944. Between 19 and 26 May 1944, while serving as part of an anti-submarine hunter-killer group, England sank the Japanese submarines I-16, RO-106, RO-104, RO-116 and RO-108. A few days later, she joined other ships in destroying a sixth enemy submarine, RO-105. This impressive feat, facilitated by poor Japanese Navy communications security, remains unsurpassed in U.S. Navy history and earned England a Presidential Unit Citation. It also prompted Admiral Ernest J. King, the Chief of Naval Operations and Commander in Chief U.S. Fleet, to proclaim "There'll always be an England in the United States Navy", a commitment honored between 1963 and 1994 by the service of USS England (DLG/CG-22), but which appears to be currently in abeyance.


USS England CG 22


USS England CG-22 current status is MARAD...she can be seen with many other ships in Reserve at Suisuns Bay California.

65 posted on 04/21/2003 1:30:23 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: SAMWolf
Now I've got my MOM chiming in with 'Don't forget Commodore Perry..'
As well as a small Naval battle on the Maumee River, and Fort Meigs...
I'm being assaulted by history and family stuff!
(I'm being told the Fort Meigs stands again. But now it looks down on an empty Maumee River.. no longer in those river banks. Fort Detroit as well...)
Help!
66 posted on 04/21/2003 1:35:16 PM PDT by Darksheare (Nox aeternus en pax.)
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To: SAMWolf
If she's looking at your cheat sheet, then she's also been putting stuff up here somewhere too...
*Looks over shoulder*
67 posted on 04/21/2003 1:36:30 PM PDT by Darksheare (Nox aeternus en pax.)
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To: SAMWolf
Beautiful views from the Astoria.

The numbers on the Perry's Victory & International Peace Memorial

Total height above lake level..............352 feet (107 meters)

TOTAL steps from Upper Plaza to the Observation Gallery...467 steps

At the Perry Monument, there has always been an elevator and the steps are considered unsafe so you have to ride up, thank goodness!
68 posted on 04/21/2003 1:42:27 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: Darksheare
LOL! Todays Thread is about Perry so you're covered
69 posted on 04/21/2003 1:51:17 PM PDT by SAMWolf (We have met the enemy and they are the French)
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To: SAMWolf

Today's classic ship, USS Massachusetts (BB-59)

South Dakota class battleship
Displacement. 35,000 t.
length. 680'10"
Beam. 108'2"
Draft. 29'3"
Speed. 27 k.
Complement. 1793
Armament. 9 16", 20 5", 24 40mm., 35 20mm.

USS Massachusetts, (BB-59) was laid down 20 July 1939 by Bethlehem Steel Co., Quincy, Mass.; launched 23 September 1941; sponsored by Mrs. Charles Francis Adams; and commissioned 12 May 1942 at Boston, Capt. Francis E. M. Whiting in command.

After shakedown, Massachusetts departed Casco Bay, Maine. 24 October 1942 and 4 days later made rendezvous with the Western Naval Task Force for the invasion of north Africa, serving as Flagship for Adm. H. Kent Hewitt. While steaming off Casablanca 8 November, she came under fire from French battleship Jean Bart's 15-inch guns. She returned fire at 0740, firing the first 16-inch shells fired by the U.S. against the European Axis Powers. Within a few minutes she silenced Jean Bart's main battery; then she turned her guns on French destroyers which had joined the attack, sinking two of them. She also shelled shore batteries and blew up an ammunition dump. After a cease-fire had been arranged with the French, she headed for the United States 12 November, and prepared for Pacific duty.

Massachusetts arrived at Noumea, New Caledonia, 4 March 1943. For the next months she operated in the South Pacific, protecting convoy lanes and supporting operations in the Solomons. Between 19 November and 21 November, she sailed with a carrier group striking Makin, Tarawa, and Abemama in the Gilberts; on 8 December she shelled Japanese positions on Nauru; and on 29 January 1944 she guarded carriers striking Tarawa in the Gilberts.

The Navy now drove steadily across the Pacific. On 30 January Massachusetts bombarded Kwajalein, and she covered the landings there 1 February. With a carrier group she struck: against the Japanese stronghold at Truk 17 February. That raid not only inflicted heavy damage on Japanese aircraft and naval forces, but also proved to be a stunning blow to enemy morale. On 21 to 22 February, Massachusetts helped fight off a heavy air attack on her task group while it made raids on Saipan, Tinian, and Guam. She took part in the attack on the Carolines in late March and participated in the invasion at Hollandia 22 April which landed 60,000 troops on the island. Retiring from Hollandia, her task force staged another attack on Truk.

Massachusetts shelled Ponape Island 1 May, her last mission before sailing to Puget Sound to overhaul and reline her gun barrels, now well-worn. On 1 August she left Pearl Harbor to resume operations in the Pacific war zone. She departed the Marshall Islands 6 October, sailing to support the landings in Leyte Gulf. In an effort to block Japanese air attacks in the Leyte conflict, she participated in a fleet strike against Okinawa 10 October. Between 12 and 14 October, she protected forces hitting Formosa. While part of TG 38.3 she took part in the Battle for Leyte Gulf 22 to 27 October, during which planes from her group sank four Japanese carriers off Cape Engano.

Stopping briefly at Ulithi, Massachusetts returned to the Philippines as part of a task force which struck Manila 14 December while supporting the invasion of Mindoro, Massachusetts sailed into a howling typhoon 17 December, with winds estimated at 120 knots. Three destroyers sank at the height of the typhoons fury. Between 30 December and 23 January 1945, she sailed as part of TF 38, which struck Formosa and supported the landing at Lingayen. During that time she turned into the South China Sea, her task force destroying shipping from Saigon to Hong Kong, concluding operations with air strikes on Formosa and Okinawa.

From 10 February to 3 March, with the 5th Fleet, Massachusetts guarded carriers during raids on Honshu. Her group also struck Iwo Jima by air for the invasion of that island. On 17 March, the carriers launched strikes against Kyushu while Mas sachusetts fired in repelling enemy attacks, splashing several planes. Seven days later she bombarded Okinawa. She spent most of April fighting off air attacks, while engaged In the operations at Okinawa, returning to the area in June, when she passed through the eye of a typhoon with 100-knot winds 5 June. She bombarded Minami Daito Jima in the Ryukyus 10 June.

Massachusetts sailed 1 July from Leyte Gulf to join the 3d Fleet's final offensive against Japan. After guarding carriers launching strikes against Tokyo, she shelled Kamaishi, Honshu, 14 July, thus hitting Japan's second largest iron and steel center. Two weeks later she bombarded the industrial complex at Hamamatsu, returning to blast Kamaishi 9 August. It was here that Massachusetts fired what was probably the last 16-inch shell fired in combat in World War II.

Victory won, the fighting battleship sailed for Puget Sound and overhaul 1 September., She left there 28 January 1946 for operations off the California coast, until leaving San Francisco for Hampton Roads, arriving 22 April. She decommissioned 27 March 1947 to enter the Atlantic Reserve Fleet at Norfolk, and was struck from the Naval Register 1 June 1962.

"Big Mamie," as she was affectionately known, was saved from the scrap pile when she was transferred to the Massachusetts Memorial Committee 8 June 1965. She was enshrined at Fall River, Mass., 14 August 1965, as the Bay State's memorial to those who gave their lives in World War II.

Massachusetts received 11 battle stars for World War II service.

Maybe we should bring the "Big Mamie" out of retirement to have another go at the french.

70 posted on 04/21/2003 1:51:22 PM PDT by aomagrat (IYAOYAS)
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To: snippy_about_it
NO elevator for us in Astoria. :-(

and it's a looooong climb.
71 posted on 04/21/2003 1:52:32 PM PDT by SAMWolf (We have met the enemy and they are the French)
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To: SAMWolf
Thank goodness..
But she'll nitpick and say that it doesn't mention the Maumee river and such..
Gonna have to file that away in future subject matter for the FF.
That's what I get for being a displaced buckeye myself and having grown up in New Jersey..
Back when they actually DID teach some things about our Revolution and the war of 1812 in 5th grade. (NOW they teach foreign history because their culture is more 'important'..)
72 posted on 04/21/2003 2:02:57 PM PDT by Darksheare (Nox aeternus en pax.)
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To: Light Speed
Thanks Light Speed. I wondered why there was a ship in the US Navy named ENGLAND.
73 posted on 04/21/2003 2:08:37 PM PDT by SAMWolf (We have met the enemy and they are the French)
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To: aomagrat
OH Boy! Another US Ship that got to fire at the french!
74 posted on 04/21/2003 2:09:45 PM PDT by SAMWolf (We have met the enemy and they are the French)
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To: Darksheare
Just send Sliders!!
75 posted on 04/21/2003 2:10:48 PM PDT by SAMWolf (We have met the enemy and they are the French)
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To: All

76 posted on 04/21/2003 2:15:25 PM PDT by SAMWolf (We have met the enemy and they are the French)
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To: SAMWolf
Sorry, can't do that.
The only Sliders I have access to are the shelled reptilian kind.
77 posted on 04/21/2003 2:23:12 PM PDT by Darksheare (Nox aeternus en pax.)
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To: Darksheare

Oops, now where did I put that "Mad" Anthony Thread I was working on?

78 posted on 04/21/2003 2:31:24 PM PDT by SAMWolf (We have met the enemy and they are the French)
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To: SAMWolf
I seriously doubt you actually want some psychotic possibly mutant turtles from here, considering that's the only kind I have access to.
*Chuckle*
I've gotta save that crying gif.
79 posted on 04/21/2003 2:33:00 PM PDT by Darksheare (Nox aeternus en pax.)
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To: Darksheare
Nope I want the Beef and Bread ones!
80 posted on 04/21/2003 2:36:14 PM PDT by SAMWolf (We have met the enemy and they are the French)
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