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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Doolittle Raid (4/18/1942) - Apr. 18th, 2003
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Posted on 04/18/2003 12:09:46 AM PDT by SAMWolf

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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Thanks Vets! Almost makes me wish I was in the Bay Area.
81 posted on 04/18/2003 10:37:52 AM PDT by SAMWolf (We have two of Saddam's half-brother btothers, does that mean we have one whole brother now?)
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To: SAMWolf
What men this Country produces!

And isn't it nice to know that hasn't changed!

82 posted on 04/18/2003 10:39:21 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SAMWolf
Sam, check this out from Victor Davis Hanson's recent piece in National Review, describing the soldiers of the Iraq campaign:

"But the lethality of the military is not just organizational or a dividend of high-technology. Moral and group cohesion explain more still. The general critique of the 1990s was that we had raised a generation with peroxide hair and tongue rings, general illiterates who lounged at malls, occasionally muttering "like" and "you know" in Sean Penn or Valley Girl cadences. But somehow the military has married the familiarity and dynamism of crass popular culture to 19th-century notions of heroism, self-sacrifice, patriotism, and audacity.

The result is that the energy of our soldiers arises from the ranks rather than is imposed from above. What, after all, is the world to make of Marines shooting their way into Baathist houses with Ray-Bans, or shaggy special forces who look like they are strolling in Greenwich Village with M-16s, or tankers with music blaring and logos like "Bad Moon Rising?" The troops look sometimes like cynical American teenagers but they fight and die like Leathernecks on Okinawa. The Arab street may put on shows of goose-stepping suicide bombers, noisy pajama-clad killers, and shrill, masked assassins, but in real battle against gum-chewing American adolescents with sunglasses these street toughs prove to be little more than toy soldiers.

By the same token, officers talk and act like a mixture of college professors and professional boxers. Ram-road straight they brave fire alongside their troops — seconds later to give brief interviews about the intricacies of tactics and the psychology of civilian onlookers. Somehow the military inculcated among its officer corps the truth that education and learning were not antithetical to risking one's life at the front; a strange sight was an interview with a young officer offering greetings to his fellow alumni — of Harvard Business School. So besides a new organization and new technologies, there is a new soldier of sorts as well."

83 posted on 04/18/2003 10:43:33 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker
Thanks Colorado tanker. That was a good read. Americans have always been under estiamted and the enemy has always ended up paying for it.
84 posted on 04/18/2003 10:48:17 AM PDT by SAMWolf (We have two of Saddam's half-brother btothers, does that mean we have one whole brother now?)
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To: SAMWolf; AntiJen; MistyCA; SpookBrat; All
Hi everyone! Have a wonderful day everybody.


85 posted on 04/18/2003 11:16:19 AM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul; radu; snippy_about_it; LaDivaLoca; TEXOKIE; cherry_bomb88; Bethbg79; ...
Our Military Today
82nd Airborne at Work


A paratrooper assigned to the U.S. 82nd Airborne Division hands out humanitarian rations to Iraqi citizens in central Iraq, in this April 5 photo made available Monday April 7, 2003. (AP Photo/Stf. Sgt. Eric Foltz/U.S. Army, HO)


A U.S. Army paratrooper from 3rd Battalion, 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division keeps watch over Afghans traveling through his defensive perimeter position during 'Operation Resolute Strike,' in Sangin, Afghanistan, Tuesday April 8, 2003. 'Operation Resolute Strike' which concluded Wednesday was conducted based on intelligence from ambush that left two U.S. service members dead and one seriously injured March 29. (AP Photo/U.S. Military, Spc. Jim Wagner, HO)


A paratrooper of 2nd Battalion, 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division, searches the basement of a home for hidden weapons Wednesday in the village of Khar Bolah, Afghanistan, Wednesday, April 16, 2003. Eighteen months after U.S.-led forces drove out the Taliban regime, search missions like this one, dubbed Operation Crackdown, show that dangers still lurk in the barren Afghan landscape. (AP Photo/HO, Charles D. Meseke, U.S. Army)


Paratroopers of 2nd Battalion, 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division radio command that they have found munitions that could be used by anti-coalition forces while searching the village of Khar Bolah, Afghanistan, Wednesday, April 16, 2003.


86 posted on 04/18/2003 11:22:47 AM PDT by SAMWolf (We have two of Saddam's half-brother btothers, does that mean we have one whole brother now?)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Good morning Victoria. Day off?
87 posted on 04/18/2003 11:23:56 AM PDT by SAMWolf (We have two of Saddam's half-brother btothers, does that mean we have one whole brother now?)
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To: SAMWolf
Hi Sam. Yes, I have the day off and I'm having a terrific day. I've been laughing since yesterday, LOL, lots of jokes around here. How are ya?
88 posted on 04/18/2003 11:34:55 AM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Doing Ok. Been running in and out.
89 posted on 04/18/2003 11:50:07 AM PDT by SAMWolf (We have two of Saddam's half-brother btothers, does that mean we have one whole brother now?)
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To: SAMWolf
Great History lessson .
90 posted on 04/18/2003 11:54:34 AM PDT by weldgophardline (Pacifism Creates Terrorism)
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To: weldgophardline
Thanks weldgophardline.
91 posted on 04/18/2003 12:01:42 PM PDT by SAMWolf (We have two of Saddam's half-brother btothers, does that mean we have one whole brother now?)
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To: SAMWolf
Before I leave for the day.. I wanted to share something we got in an e-mail from a fellow military retiree. :o)

Just in case the Commander-In-Chief decides to recall any of us retiree's, I have been trying on the old uniforms.

I want to be ready.

So far only the socks fit.

FRegards, Vets

92 posted on 04/18/2003 12:11:35 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife ("CNN - WE report WHEN WE decide.")
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Yeah, I saw the pulled thread with six posts..
It's MONDAY on a FRIDAY.

Thread bump to Crazy Ideas That Work!
93 posted on 04/18/2003 12:16:23 PM PDT by Darksheare (Nox aeternus en pax.)
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To: SpookBrat
Hiya!

Thanks for the ping and comments.

Some history detail concerning Heavy crusier USS Tuscaloosa post by Amagorat.
In the article is listed Tuscaloosa's joining the carrier battle group of USS Ranger.
Researching the History of USS Isherwood along with testimony from the crew revealed some info which does not show up in most of the history narratives .
Info was confirmed via a book on U-boats I had read..with a testimony by an ex U Boat commander that period.

USS Isherwood and USS Bell where assigned to USS Ranger..they provided screen coverage for Troop deployments from U.S. to England.
The return leg was a high speed dash thru a nautical zone known as the "Black pit"....a several hour run at 30knots to cross.
Black pit was beyond aircoverage..and was a known U-boat pack lurking site.
Primeminister Wisnton CHurchill was headed stateside to meet President Roosevelt..the meeting was the first serious draft for the D-DAY planning.
German opperatives knew of the crossing..a bounty was offered by Hitler of some 50,000 pounds to any U-BOAT commander who could kill Winston.

During chats with the crew of USS Isherwood ,learned that they went to high speed...basically a race vs U Boat targeting skills.
Several ships in the vanguard were left to defend each other due to the speed factor.
Winstons ship could do over 30 knots..the new fletcher destroyers drive trains could handle 33 knots for several hours run.

Weeks later the same battlegroup formed up with the British home fleet...they brought out several of their Biggy warwagons...HMS King George..the group was huge .
German intel made sure Tirpitz stayed in some Fjord ...she would not come out to fight.
In October USS Isherwood was released ..her Captian was promoted to a new offensive in the med...the DD got a new captian allong with a Commodore..also made Flag of a Destroyer Division.
They escorted newly commissioned Battleship USS Boston to the Pacific...
In a period of time tracking near this..another US Destroyer was getting her first assignment..to screen the fast Battleship USS Iowa with President Roosevelt aboard to North Africa.
USS Wiliam D Porter had a series of career ending events unfold with this assignment.
Pulling away from the dock...Porters anchor raked the side of a ship moored beside her..causing considerable damage.
A day out...a crewman dissapears..goes overboard in the night...Captain of Porter is seeing his career slide down the lou.
With President Roosevelt looking on...Porters captain decides on impressing him with a mock torpedo attack.
Panic sweeps the Porter when it is learned that one of the torpedoes is live..the safety was not set.
Porter breaks naval protocals by warning IOWA via radio....
In one account.."Secret service" with Roosevelt pulled thier sidearms on IOWA thinking an asssassination attempt was occuring.

William D Porter was ordered to Guantonimo and impounded...the crew where interviewed..then farmed out around the fleet...the captian..his career ruined.

USS William D Porter would get a new crew and captian..assigned to USS Isherwood's Division in the Pacific.

During a stop in at Pearl Harbor ..USS William D Porter was challenged at Pearls approaches...
"Don't shoot ...were Republicans"!

"Willie D's" record of mayhem would continue...she was lost off Okinawa when a kamikaze exploded under her keel.


94 posted on 04/18/2003 12:24:15 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
LOL! I don't my socks would fit either!
95 posted on 04/18/2003 12:27:26 PM PDT by SAMWolf (We have two of Saddam's half-brother btothers, does that mean we have one whole brother now?)
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To: Darksheare
LOL! It was a long day yesterday.
96 posted on 04/18/2003 12:27:56 PM PDT by SAMWolf (We have two of Saddam's half-brother btothers, does that mean we have one whole brother now?)
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To: Light Speed
Thanks for the additional Info on the Tuscaloosa
97 posted on 04/18/2003 12:29:05 PM PDT by SAMWolf (We have two of Saddam's half-brother btothers, does that mean we have one whole brother now?)
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To: radu; snippy_about_it; LaDivaLoca; TEXOKIE; cherry_bomb88; Bethbg79; Do the Dew
Our Military Today
Thank you Britain


Squadron leader Rolfie Dunne holds up his young daughter Alice on his return to RAF (Royal Air Force) Leuchars in Scotland April 11, 2003. Eight crewmembers of 111 squadron returned home from operations in the Gulf. REUTERS/Jeff J Mitchell


Flight Lieutenant Paul Mounsey, a Harrier pilot, of 3 Squadron Royal Air Force (RAF), holds a child at RAF Cottesmore in Leicestershire, Britain, April 18, 2003. Members of 3 Squadron were met by their families upon returning to the UK on Friday after carrying out operations in the Gulf. REUTERS/POOL/Jack Pritchard-MoD


British Squadron Leader Harvey Smith (L), a Harrier pilot of 3 Squadron at RAF (Royal Air Force) Cottesmore in Leicestershire, Britain, holds his daughter Chloe at the base, April 18, 2003. Members of 3 Squadron were met by their families upon returning to the UK on Friday after carrying out operations in the Gulf. REUTERS/POOL/Jack Pritchard-MoD


Prime Minister Tony Blair meets aircrewmen with their families at RAF Leuchars, in Scotland, Tuesday April 15, 2003. (AP Photos/Andrew Milligan).


98 posted on 04/18/2003 12:29:55 PM PDT by SAMWolf (We have two of Saddam's half-brother btothers, does that mean we have one whole brother now?)
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To: SAMWolf
Been a long day today as well...
Gonna grab some chow.
99 posted on 04/18/2003 12:40:33 PM PDT by Darksheare (Nox aeternus en pax.)
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To: SAMWolf
Thanks Sam..its allways a pleasure to contribute.

Have you watched any of the new documentaries on Bismarck?
Have watched and recorded 2 now...one is 2 hours..the other is actually better being 1 hour..but enhanced focus on the problems with Lutjens and Hitler's admin.

The computer animations in both documentaries are excellent.

The honorable life & career of Admiral Gunther Lutjens

His last radio message was actually a death message, which was informing the Kriegs Marine Group West, about their situation, "we will fight to the last shell". This was completely true... Admiral Lutjens and all the brave sailors of Bismarck fought to the last shell, and died with their great honor aboard the giant battleship. Their hopeless fight was unforgettable and legendary.

Admiral Gunther Lutjens was a quiet, humourless, inflexible and rather forbidding man, with a forceful character, given to fatalism.. According to some sailors of Deutsche Kriegsmarine, he was that kind of interesting man. Some of them were nicknamed Admiral Lutjens the "Black Devil". But according to Grand Admiral Erich Raeder, he was an effective and intrepid leader and a perfect commander. His belief was not wrong.

Admiral Lutjens was a brave commander who dedicated his whole life to German Naval Forces both the Kaiserliche Marine and Kriegsmarine. Actually, his life was not only interesting, but mixed with some secrets too. When he died aboard DKM Bismarck as the fleet commander, he was 52 years old, who left many questions behind his life and decisions as well. According to some of his friends, he was aware about this "death journey" and hopeless operation Rheinubung.

It is not possible to learn his true ideas and beliefs today, but everyone knows that he tried to do his best againist impossible odds. He lived as a gentleman, fought as a gentleman and died with honor. Lutjens was one of the last representatives of an elegant era, which was completely ended many years ago.

100 posted on 04/18/2003 12:51:10 PM PDT by Light Speed
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