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The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday - Drummers, Warriors and Storytellers - May 24th, 2005
Army Magazine | July 2002 | Gen. Donn A. Starry, U.S. Army retired

Posted on 05/23/2005 9:41:38 PM PDT by SAMWolf

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To: SAMWolf
I read Von Manstein's book years ago.

I read a translation of a German book on Stalingrad once in where Manstein was seen on his arrival as very confident, even cocky, and surrounded by his sycophantic entourage. A sort of "Here I am, to save the day!"

German reconnaissance in Russia, seems to me, was poor. Couldn't even get aerial photos to the troops. Seems at Stalingrad the Germans totally missed the Russian supply effort and the preparations for the encirclement. Why were the attacks on the Hungarians and the southern guys, forget who, surprises? Odd. Over confident, very tired, maybe? Bought into that Herrn Volk stuff? Very (nearly insanely) overstressed for resources? All of the above?
41 posted on 05/24/2005 12:52:11 PM PDT by Iris7 ("War means fighting, and fighting means killing." - Bedford Forrest)
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To: snippy_about_it; bentfeather; Samwise; Peanut Gallery; Wneighbor
Good afternoon ladies. I've been to Houston and back today, boy are my arms tired. Thank you, I'll be here until today.

Oh BTW, Flag-o-Gram.


Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld poses for a photograph with Navy Petty Officer 1st Class Lauren Fyfe, of Raleigh, N.C., following a town hall meeting at Prince Sultan Air Base, Saudi Arabia, on April 29, 2003. Rumsfeld addressed the troops and then took questions from the military audience. Rumsfeld is visiting the troops and senior leadership in the Persian Gulf region. DoD photo by Helene C. Stikkel. (Released)

Gonna ZOT the troll size

42 posted on 05/24/2005 1:35:37 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Ginger vs Maryann? You have to ask?)
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To: Professional Engineer
Thank you, I'll be here until today.LOL. As the three stooges would say, yuk, yuk, yuk.
43 posted on 05/24/2005 1:40:00 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf
I was thinking of Guderian, too. If I had to pick one German who had the most impact on armor theory and tactics, I would have picked Guderian over Rommel.

Happy Treadhead Tuesday to all.

44 posted on 05/24/2005 1:56:34 PM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: SAMWolf; Valin

"1941 Bismarck sinks British battle cruiser HMS Hood, 1,416 die 3 survive"

Sink the Bismark
Johnny Horton


In May of 1941 the war had just begun
The Germans had the biggest ship that had the biggest guns
The Bismarck was the fastest ship that ever sailed the sea
On her decks were guns as big as steers and shells as big as trees

Out of the cold and foggy night came the British ship the Hood
And every British seaman he knew and understood
They had to sink the Bismarck the terror of the sea
Stop those guns as big as steers and those shells as big as trees
We'll find the German battleship that's makin' such a fuss
We gotta sink the Bismarck cause the world depends on us
Yeah hit the decks a runnin' boys and spin those guns around
When we find the Bismarck we gotta cut her down
[ ac.guitar ]
The Hood found the Bismarck and on that fatal day
The Bismarck started firing fifteen miles away
We gotta sink the Bismarck was the battle sound
But when the smoke had cleared away the mighty Hood went down
For six long days and weary nights they tried to find her trail
Churchill told the people put every ship asail
Cause somewhere on that ocean I know she's gotta be
We gotta sink the Bismarck to the bottom of the sea
We'll find the German battleship...
[ ac.guitar ]
The fog was gone the seventh day and they saw the morning sun
Ten hours away from homeland the Bismarck made its run
The Admiral of the British fleet said turn those bows around
We found that German battleship and we're gonna cut her down
The British guns were aimed and the shells were coming fast
The first shell hit the Bismarck they knew she couldn't last
That mighty German battleship is just a memory
Sink the Bismarck was the battle cry that shook the seven seas
We found the German battleship t'was makin' such a fuss
We had to sink the Bismarck cause the world depends on us
We hit the deck a runnin' and we and spun those guns around
Yeah we found the mighty Bismarck and then we cut her down
We found the German battleship...

Now that's been just one of my favorite songs since I was a kid. :-)


45 posted on 05/24/2005 2:34:44 PM PDT by Wneighbor
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To: Professional Engineer

Howdy PE. Sounds like a might sprint flight you had there to Houston. Was it just as hot down there as it is here?


46 posted on 05/24/2005 2:39:31 PM PDT by Wneighbor
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To: snippy_about_it

Howdy ma'am


47 posted on 05/24/2005 3:16:18 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Memo to republican party - YOU'RE FIRED.)
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To: Wneighbor

It's been a loooooong day. I nearly lost my Hobbit Hole knife to the TSA. Fortunately I had enough time to take it bake to the car.

I had gone through my briefcase, and removed the spare HH knife and everything else. I remembered to leave my swiss army knife in my desk.

As I was stepping up to the metal detector, I pulled my hand out of my pocket, and felt my knife catch on my wrist. The screener looked up, motioned me to come through. I just pulled it out and held it up, and told 'em I knew it would set the machine off.


48 posted on 05/24/2005 3:21:35 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Memo to republican party - YOU'RE FIRED.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Holy Cow Wizard Man!!! That was *almost* an error of epic proportions!!! Glad you caught it in time!!! Whew!!!


49 posted on 05/24/2005 3:57:10 PM PDT by Wneighbor
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; Victoria Delsoul; radu; PAR35; Wneighbor; Iris7; Aeronaut; E.G.C.; ...

A montage showing Heinz Guderian, father of the German Panzer Korps,
amidst parading Panzer MKI light tanks and a display of of the growing
luftwaffe behind him.


Panzer Leader by Guderian, Heinz

When published in 1952, Panzer Leader quickly became a best seller, but over the half-decade that followed, it also established itself as a classic, lauded by Stephen Ambrose as "a mesmerizing read." A dramatic first-person account by the father of modern tank warfare, it is also a searing group portrait of the Third Reich's leading personalities as they turned imminent victory into agonizing defeat.


Achtung - Panzer!
The Development of Tank Warfare
Heinz Guderian

This is one of the most significant military books of the twentieth century. By an outstanding soldier of independent mind, it pushed forward the evolution of land warfare and was directly responsible for German armoured supremacy in the early years of the Second World War.

Published in 1937, the result of 15 years of careful study since his days on the German General Staff in the First World War, Guderian's book argued, quite clearly, how vital the proper use of tanks and supporting armoured vehicles would be in the conduct of a future war. When that war came, just two years later, he proved it, leading his Panzers with distinction in the Polish, French and Russian campaigns. Panzer warfare had come of age, exactly as he had forecast.

This first English translation of Heinz Guderian's classic book -used as a textbook by Panzer officers in the war -has an introduction and extensive background notes by the modern English historian Paul Harris.

~~~


Merkava

It was clear that a weapon system of primary importance was at stake, vital to our security, but which had been refused, to Israel by all nations. No change in this attitude was foreseen.

The question, which arose therefore, was not whether we should engage in development and manufacture of a homemade tank, but whether we would be capable of achieved the high levels of industrial and technological expertise required to succeed in such a project. To this was added the question of whether we would be capable of doing so at a reasonable price and without disrupting the Israeli economy.

In order to answer these questions, it was decided to conduct a study, presided by Major General Israel Tal. The study was conducted by experts of the Ministry of Defense and of the Ordnance Corps, and was designed to answer two essential questions:

1. Would Israel be capable of planning, designing and manufacturing a Main Battle Tank from the point of view of technological know-how and industrial infrastructure?

2. Is there any economic sense in such a project - does it ensure economic viability in the broad sense, to the economy of Israel?

~~~

THUNDERBOLT: GENERAL CREIGHTON ABRAMS AND THE ARMY OF HIS TIME
by Lewis Sorley

Editorial Reviews

From Publishers Weekly
Abrams (1914-1974) made a name for himself during WW II's Battle of the Bulge when he led his tank battalion in relief of an encircled American division at Bastogne. A quarter century later, having replaced Gen. William Westmoreland as MAC-V (Military Assistance Command-Vietnam) commander in Saigon, he supervised the process of preparing the South Vietnamese government to take over the war while American forces withdrew. Abrams's reputation for competence and uncompromising integrity was intact when he returned to the U.S. in 1972 ("Abe never talks about ethics," said a colleague quoted here, "he just examples it"). Appointed Army chief of staff, Abrams now faced the greatest challenge of his career: reforming the demoralized Army. Sorley, who has taught at West Point and the Army War College, provides a detailed account of how Abrams initiated such a turnaround in the post-Vietnam days. This anecdote-rich biography captures the essence of a great but little-known general who was an important military transitional figure. Photos. Copyright 1992 Reed Business Information, Inc.

From Library Journal
Abrams's career spanned three American wars (World War II, Korea, and Vietnam), and he finished it as the Army Chief of Staff. His efforts in the immediate post-Vietnam years helped to reform the army into the efficient war machine of the Persian Gulf War. Thunderbolt covers Abrams's entire career in detail. Sources used in this book include an impressive list of books, articles, documents, and interviews. The author's military background (Sorley was a West Point graduate and Pentagon staff officer) is omnipresent--the book reads much like an official military history. This is not to say that the work aggrandizes the U.S. military or government; many shortcomings and Abrams's attempt to grapple with them are discussed. Thunderbolt fills a gap on a very influential member of the U.S. Army. The book is of value to the military historian as well as to history and military buffs. Recommended for academic and public libraries. Miltary Book Club main selection. -Jim Cunningham, Northern Illinois Univ. Lib., DeKalb

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Not a single country agreed to sell new tanks to us. It is still not clear why some countries did allow us to occasionally buy new and modern means of battle, such as jet fighter planes, but persisted in their refusal to sell us new tanks. Merkava-Historical Background

the SIX DAY WAR ended so SUDDENLY because Hertz wanted their tanks back. LOL.
36 posted on 05/24/2005 8:46:10 AM PDT by stand watie


50 posted on 05/24/2005 4:53:36 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: stand watie
Hertz wanted their tanks

LOL!

51 posted on 05/24/2005 6:46:59 PM PDT by SAMWolf (How do you know it's summer in Oregon? The rain's warm!)
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To: PAR35

Manstein fought mostly on the Russian Front and worked miracles. He was know as the Fuherer's Fireman, always managed to pull a trick out of his hat and give the Soviets a black eye.


52 posted on 05/24/2005 6:48:57 PM PDT by SAMWolf (How do you know it's summer in Oregon? The rain's warm!)
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To: Diver Dave

Thanks DD. Great video. :-)


53 posted on 05/24/2005 6:49:45 PM PDT by SAMWolf (How do you know it's summer in Oregon? The rain's warm!)
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To: Iris7

Romanians on the North.


54 posted on 05/24/2005 6:50:34 PM PDT by SAMWolf (How do you know it's summer in Oregon? The rain's warm!)
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To: SAMWolf

There's always a first time. :-D


55 posted on 05/24/2005 7:15:39 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Wneighbor
I saw some treaded vehicles while I was in Alabama.

Got pictures?

56 posted on 05/24/2005 7:23:34 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Memo to republican party - YOU'RE FIRED.)
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To: bentfeather

Hi miss Feather


57 posted on 05/24/2005 7:25:33 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Memo to republican party - YOU'RE FIRED.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

:-)


58 posted on 05/24/2005 7:26:53 PM PDT by SAMWolf (How do you know it's summer in Oregon? The rain's warm!)
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To: Wneighbor
Now that's been just one of my favorite songs since I was a kid. :-)

Mine too, I have it memorized, ask Shippy. LOL

59 posted on 05/24/2005 7:27:50 PM PDT by SAMWolf (How do you know it's summer in Oregon? The rain's warm!)
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To: Professional Engineer

Evening PE.


60 posted on 05/24/2005 7:28:15 PM PDT by SAMWolf (How do you know it's summer in Oregon? The rain's warm!)
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