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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Marshall Islands Campaign(1/31/1944 - 2/8/1944) - May 20th, 2004
www.chinfo.navy.mil ^ | Lyn Kukral

Posted on 05/20/2004 12:00:18 AM PDT by SAMWolf

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To: Iris7

As I recall, it was Frank Jack Fletcher's decision to retire from the scene so he could "refuel" the carriers that lead to Turner's decsion to back off. With out any air support from the carriers the transports would have been toast.

Notice that this was Fletchers last combat assignment. Nimitz, who had served in the Personnel Buruea prior to the start of WWII had Fletcher eased out to a stateside command after Guadacanal, never to serve in a combat capacity again.

Bonus points, the Connie flew over the house this morning, didn't get to see her cause of the cloud deck, dang nab it, but the house sure vibrated.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


41 posted on 05/20/2004 9:30:35 AM PDT by alfa6 (GNY Highway's Rules: Improvise; Adapt; Overcome)
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To: SAMWolf

Amazing story today Sam, thank you.


42 posted on 05/20/2004 9:31:56 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Iris7

You're getting very good at being first. :-) Good morning Iris7.


43 posted on 05/20/2004 9:33:57 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Iris7
The story says Kwaj was easy. The vets I talked with, back when they were still around, would beg to differ.

Each offensive revealed the same theme....The Japanese were going to make a fight of it....even if we *knew they were starving.

Japanese inter services relations is a study in itself.
Officers treated their lower ranks like dirt...humiliation,physical abuse.
Officers horded the best food..the remaining food for themselves...

By the time a U.S. soldier ever sets foot near a Japanese soldier...the Japanese one has been put through the meatgrinder by his own..and hs been out their on the fly with little medication against all those nasty Island type diseases and viruses.

Navy bombarment...air opps...their surroundings turned into a landscape like the moon,.....yet after all..they would fight...give the U.S. soldier no quarter day or night.

Cowardly Islamic types of today cannot hold a candle to the Japanese combatant of WW-2.
The Jihadi say they will kill you......but much is just talk.
The Japanese guy was silent....like a spirit of death ...hunting you

44 posted on 05/20/2004 9:33:57 AM PDT by Light Speed
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To: Aeronaut

Good morning Aeronaut.


45 posted on 05/20/2004 9:35:02 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: E.G.C.

Good morning EGC.


46 posted on 05/20/2004 9:35:47 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: The Mayor

Good morinig Mayor. We should hit 72 degrees today!


47 posted on 05/20/2004 9:36:11 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: bentfeather

Good morning feather.


48 posted on 05/20/2004 9:36:34 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Valin

Good morning Valin.


49 posted on 05/20/2004 9:39:13 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: CholeraJoe
making concrete with saltwater..

We were just watching the History Channel show on the 101 Highway and they talked about saltwater getting into concrete and finding it's way to the rebar and destroying the bridge stability. hmmm. No rebar in the pillboxes. Now I'm confused. :-(

It hit the target from 7,000 miles away? Amazing.

50 posted on 05/20/2004 9:42:47 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Cool flag-o-gram, thanks PE.


51 posted on 05/20/2004 9:45:14 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf

Hiya Sam


52 posted on 05/20/2004 10:10:58 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Islam is a cancer on humanity. Time for some radiation treatments.)
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To: bentfeather

You're very welcome miss Feather.


53 posted on 05/20/2004 10:12:59 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Islam is a cancer on humanity. Time for some radiation treatments.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Certainly.


54 posted on 05/20/2004 10:15:09 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Islam is a cancer on humanity. Time for some radiation treatments.)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it
Hi troop : )

Have been reading *In Harms way,...by Doug Stanton.
I was suprised to learn that USS Indianapolis was not the Navy's first choice for the Top Secret mission.
Crusier USS Pensacola ....moored beside Indy at Pier 22s in Mare Island was chosen.
Indy was weeks away still under refit.
That changed after Pensacola suffered engine failure during sea trials.

The Navy yanked McVay [Captian of the Indy]...in for an early morning brief..and dumped the whole 9 yrds on him...."We know your ships not ready.....but your going"!


Possibly the last photo of USS Indianapolis...preparing to leave Tinian after delivering atomic bomb components, circa 26 July 1945.


It's nearing midnight, July 30th 1945. The heavy cruiser USS Indianapolis is steaming along at about 17 knots on its way to the Philippines after delivering the atomic bomb to Tinian Island, the very bomb that will be dropped on the Japanese city of Hiroshima. Through a series of incredible bureaucratic blunders and ineptitude, the "Indy" will soon enter history as the U.S. Navy's greatest sea disaster of WW II. Seen here from the Japanese submarine commander's view, the "Indy" is lined up for a perfect shot from the submarines 'long-lance' torpedoes. Of a crew of over 1,100 men, approximately 800 survived the two torpedo strikes and entered the warm Pacific waters. For 5 days and 4 nights, these survivors endured the tropical sun, thirst, hunger, and worst of all, a mass shark attack. Of the over 800 men that went into the water, only 320 survivors were pulled to safety.

55 posted on 05/20/2004 10:21:22 AM PDT by Light Speed
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf
Afternoon, Sam and Snippy.

Three thousand casualties and the "historians" called it "easy." The New York Slimes today would call it a disaster and send reporters looking for any poor little Japanese prisoners that might have been "abused."

56 posted on 05/20/2004 11:57:57 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SAMWolf

If the drone boats had 'moon pools' in them with depth charges inside said moon pools, they could have depth charged the coral instead, and thus cut channels through it with their own destruction.


57 posted on 05/20/2004 12:05:10 PM PDT by Darksheare (Decorate rooms and furniture with your sleeping friend's carcasses. -Gothic car sticker)
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To: All

Air Power
Mitsubishi Ki-67 Hiryu (Peggy)

Resembling as it did a G4M Betty which had been put on a slimming diet, the Japanese Army’s Ki-67 Hiryu (Flying Dragon) was nevertheless the best Japanese twin-engined bomber of the Pacific War. It compared favorably with Allied contemporaries, but despite its official classification by the JAAF as a heavy bomber, it was more in the class of the American B-26 Marauder. Had the Peggy, as the Allies called her, been available before the coming of Allied aerial superiority, the Pacific War’s history might well have been different. Sadly for the Japanese, the plane was forced to fly with young crews fresh out of training school in most cases, and even those veterans who were lucky enough to fly the Hiryu had to operate her under almost suicidal conditions against swarms of high-performing enemy fighters.

Late in 1940, even as Nakajima’s Ki-49 Donryu was undergoing test, the Army Air Staff was drafting specifications for her future successor. The Japanese Army was still preparing for an ultimate showdown with the Soviet Union, and thus wanted a tactical “heavy” bomber. Mitsubishi was therefore instructed to build three prototypes to meet the following requirements: (a) an operating altitude of from 13,125 feet to 22,965 feet; (b) a maximum speed of 342 mph; (c) a radius of action of 435 miles with a 1,102-lb. bombload; (d) a maximum bombload of eight 220-lb. bombs, three 551-lb. bombs, or a single 1,102-lb. bomb; (e) a crew of from six to ten men, depending on the mission profile; (f) a defensive armament comprising one 7.7mm machine gun in each of the nose, port, and starboard positions, and a 12.7mm gun in each of the dorsal and tail positions; and (g) two engines chosen from the following types-the Mitsubishi Ha-101, Nakajima Ha-103, or Mitsubishi Ha-104.

Chief Engineer Ozawa’s team designed a clean, slender mid-wing monoplane powered by a pair of 1,900-hp Ha-104s. As mentioned before, the prototype looked like a G4M Betty that had been dieting, but aside from that, Ozawa made a commendable departure from previous Japanese design methods. To ease production, the Ki-67 was designed to be built by sub-assemblies from the start, and crew armor and self-sealing fuel tanks were also used from the beginning. Attention to these details rather delayed the operational debut of the Hiryu, but they turned out to be strong assets when the plane had to be built, maintained, and flown under the harsh conditions of the late-war period.

The three prototypes were not completed until December 1942, February 1943, and March 1943, respectively, but Mitsubishi had already been instructed to build additional prototypes and service-test machines. All three prototypes were armed similarly-one 7.92mm machine gun in each of the nose, port, and starboard beam positions, and one 12.7mm gun in dorsal and tail turrets. The first prototype left the earth on its maiden flight on December 27, 1942. It displayed some longitudinal instability and control oversensitivity under certain flight conditions, but overall, the Mitsubishi team and the Army were pleased with the new creation. Although the maximum speed was eight miles per hour slower than the specification called for, the Ki-67 easily met or exceeded every other requirement. Once the service-test machines were modified to improve their handling characteristics, the type was discovered to be both easy to fly and amazingly maneuverable. Without a bombload of any kind, the Hiryu could easily loop and turn tightly, and its controls remained smooth and effective even in dives of up to 373 mph. In addition to increased fuel capacity from 565 gallons to 855 gallons-and the extra tanks were self-sealing, no less-the service test examples had a revised armament. The nose gun was changed to a 12.7mm weapon, the dorsal turret’s gun became a 20mm cannon, and the beam positions became “blisters” rather than flush-mounted windows.

In December 1942, it was suggested that the new aircraft would make an excellent land-based torpedo bomber, and in January of the following year, Mitsubishi was instructed to fit an underbelly torpedo rack on 100 production Hiryus. The 17th and 18th production Ki-67s were used to test the plane’s suitability for this demanding role, and Major Sakamoto of the Army’s Air Examination Department took the two planes and their Army crewmen to the Yokosuka Naval Air Station for trials. The Hiryu proved so successful that Mitsubishi was directed to install torpedo racks on all Ki-67s beginning with the 161st aircraft, and the Army agreed to release some Hiryus for Naval service. The JNAF renamed them the Yasukuni, after the shrine near Tokyo devoted to honored war dead.

The Army, in fact, was so pleased with the new bomber, that additional equipment was being continually planned for it, and actual adoption of the Ki-67 for service was delayed because no one apparently could agree on a standardized configuration for it. Finally, the Army Air Staff was forced by the demands of the war to quit dithering. The design was frozen on December 2, 1943, after one last change was made-the beam guns were changed to 12.7mm weapons-and it was formally accepted as the Army Type 4 Heavy Bomber Model 1 Hiryu (Ki-67-I).

The foolish delay in finalizing the design meant that the first combat use of the Peggy didn’t occur until the series of air-sea battles off the Formosan coast in October 1944. The Army’s 7th and 98th Sentais and the Navy’s 762nd Kokutai (Air Group) scored some hits on the American cruisers Houston and Canberra, but failed to sink either vessel (they were towed out of the battle zone), and all three units suffered heavy losses. But from then on, torpedo-carrying Ki-67s of both services fought side-by-side for the remainder of the war, being particularly active in opposing the American landings on Okinawa. In its original bomber role, the Hiryu was used by the JAAF over China, and Hamamatsu-based Ki-67s, staging through Iwo Jima, made repeated attacks on B-29 bases in the Marianas until Iwo was invaded.

Production of the Ki-67-I received the highest-priority rating, but only 698 were built. The parent company, Mitsubishi, built 606 at three different factories; Kawasaki built 91; and the Tachikawa Army Air Arsenal built one. Also, Nippon International Air Industries performed the final assembly of 29 Mitsubishi-built examples. Only one more major change was made: the single 12.7mm machine gun in the tail turret was replaced by a twin-gun mount starting with the 451st example. It was also planned to increase the bombload to 2,756 pounds beginning with the 751st aircraft, but Allied bombings and the December 1944 earthquake, which especially affected engine production, seriously impaired production of this and every other Japanese aircraft.

By the end of the war, several special or experimental versions of the Ki-67 were planned, but only one was actually built-the Ki-109 heavy fighter, described separately. Others that reached the drawing board, and in some cases prototype form, included the following:

Specifications:
Manufacturer: Mitsubishi
Type: Twin-engined Heavy Bomber, Heavy Escort Fighter
Accommodation: Normal crew of six to eight in enclosed cabin; reduced to three for suicide attacks.
Allied Code Name: Peggy
Models: Ki-67-Ia, Ib and Ki-67-II, and Ki-109
First Flight: Early 1943, Ki-109: August 1944
Service Delivery: April 1944
Final Delivery: N/A
Production: 698
Powerplants:
  (All Ki-67s except for experimental machines) Two Mitsubishi Ha-104 eighteen-cylinder air-cooled radial engines, rated at 1,900 hp for take-off, 1,810 hp at 7,220 ft., and 1,610 hp at 20,015 ft.
  (16th and 17th Ki-67s) Two Mitsubishi Ha-214 eighteen-cylinder air-cooled radials, rated at 2,400 hp for take-off, 2,130 hp at 5,905 ft., and 1,930 hp at 27,230 ft.
  (21st and 22nd Ki-67s) Two Mitsubishi Ha-104 Ru eighteen-cylinder turbosupercharged air-cooled radials, rated at 1,900 hp for take-off and 1,810 hp at 24,150 ft.

Dimensions:
Wingspan: 73 ft. 9 13/16 in.;
Length: 61 ft. 4 7/32 in.;
Height: 25 ft. 3 5/32 in.;
Wing area: 708.801 sq. ft.;
Empty weight: 19,068 lb.;
Loaded weight: 30,347 lb.;
Maximum weight: N/A;
Wing loading: 42.8 lb./sq. ft.;
Power loading: 8 lb./hp;

Performance:
Maximum speed: 334 mph at 19,980 ft.;
Cruising speed: 249 mph at 26,245 ft.;
Climb: To 19,685 ft. in 14 min. 30 sec.;
Service ceiling: 31,070 ft.;
Normal range: 1,740 miles; maximum range, 2,360 miles.

Armaments:
Guns:
(1st, 2nd, and 3rd prototypes) One flexible 7.92mm machine gun in each of the nose, port beam, and starboard beam positions, and one 12.7mm machine gun in each of the dorsal and tail turrets.
(4th-19th Ki-67s) One flexible 7.92mm machine gun in each of the beam positions, one flexible12.7mm machine gun in the nose and in the tail turret, and one 20mm cannon in the dorsal turret.
(20th-450th Ki-67s) One flexible 12.7mm machine gun in each of the nose, port and starboard beam, and tail positions, and one 20mm cannon in the dorsal turret.
(451st and subsequent Ki-67s) One flexible 12.7mm machine gun in each of the nose and beam positions, twin flexible 12.7mm machine guns in the tail turret, and one 20mm cannon in the dorsal turret.
Bombload:
Normal: 1,102 lbs.
Maximum: 1,764 lbs.
Torpedo attack: One 1,764-lb. or One 2,359-lb. torpedo.
Suicide attack: Up to 6,393 lbs.





A standard Ki-67-I waits for take-off while crews are briefed; Formosa, 1944.

Rear view of a Ki-67-I being refueled.

Close-up of the experimental I-Go-IA anti-shipping missile slung under a Ki-67's belly.

Naval personnel loading a torpedo under a Ki-67

A torpedo-carrying Ki-67 taxis out for a mission.

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58 posted on 05/20/2004 12:13:10 PM PDT by Johnny Gage (God Bless our Firefighters, our Police, our EMS responders, and our Veterans)
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To: alfa6
Thanks, alpha,

That makes a lot of sense. Even MacArthur couldn't keep Halsey under control at Leyte Gulf.

Lovely that the old Constellation is running up your way. That machine could cost $3000 or more an hour to fly. Parts are getting expensive, have to have a lot of them made. If you ever find out from those guys anything you think I might like to hear it would be great to hear about it.

I talked with some guys flying a B-17 once, and they said that they figured their machine cost $3000 an hour to fly, so I just borrowed the number for the Connie.
59 posted on 05/20/2004 12:43:01 PM PDT by Iris7 (If "Iris7" upsets or intrigues you, see my Freeper home page for a nice explanatory essay.)
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To: Iris7

Mentioning Leyte Gulf, I just finished a book called "Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors" about the actions of the DDs and DEs of Taffy 3. Pretty stirring tale that the 5 or 6 escorts took on the last of the major fleet elements of ther IJN.

Quote of the book was from a chief on the CVE Gambier Bay as a couple of the IJN cruisers were closing in on the carrier. "At a boys, were sucking them in to 40MM range"

The Connie folks have a website it is:

http://www.airlinehistorymusuem.com

If you have an interest in the IJN during WWII look at

http://www.combinedfleet.com

There is an interesting analysis of battleships of WWII on this site as well as all sorts of info on the IJN

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


60 posted on 05/20/2004 1:35:56 PM PDT by alfa6 (GNY Highway's Rules: Improvise; Adapt; Overcome)
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