The FReeper Foxhole Remembers Commander Howard W. Gilmore - May 9th, 2004

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[Darksheare]

I'm in.

[snippy_about_it]

Hi sweetie. '-)

[Darksheare]

Hello.
Haven't heard anything on archy yet.
Also another seeming disappearance, Sundaycake.
No further info.

Still waiting for word on it, will keep an ear to the ground.

[snippy_about_it]

Thanks. It really bothers me that archy could be gone from here. Grrrr.

[Darksheare]

Bothers me as well.
But I don't have all the info, only questions.
*sigh*

[SAMWolf]

Hi Radu. Cute E-Card.

[SAMWolf]

Hi Darksheare!

[SAMWolf]

Seems no one has an answer on Archy yet.

[CholeraJoe]

While, Selma, Alabama may evoke memories of Race marches, I remember it as a quiet Southern town. I witnessed acts of discrimination, and reviled from them. I grew up not far from the Edmund Pettis Bridge, where Martin Luther King marched across and was attacked by mounted posse members.

A number of years later, I practiced there for a year. Blacks and Whites remembered me from the 60's. They said, "Doc, didn't you used to work as an orderly at New Vaughn Memorial? You helped my Momma when she was sick."

[snippy_about_it]

Perhaps a good sign is that when I read Gilmore was from Selma, all I thought was that he was born a southerner. Nothing more, nothing less.

[CholeraJoe]

Gilmore was a revered hero in Selma when I attended Albert G. Parrish High School there.

[SAMWolf]

Bad times for our Country. It's a shame to see how some (Jackson and others) have perverted the cause.

[PhilDragoo]

Nautilus SS 168 and Growler SS 215 in dry dock, Pearl Harbor, July 28, 1942

Floating drydock YFD-2 is at left, with USS Alywin (DD-355) inside. Small drydock in center holds USS Growler (SS-215) and USS Nautilus (SS-168). USS Litchfield (DD-336) and an ARD floating drydock are in Drydock # 2, in right center. Drydock # 1, at right, contains USS West Virginia (BB-48). Submarines partially visible alongside 1010 Dock, in the extreme upper right, are USS Trout (SS-202) and USSPollack (SS-180).

from www.subsowespac.org/ SilentHunter.htm

Pampanito (Gato class) engine room

High resolution

FReeper devolve is in contact with a Pampanito vet.

Mother's Day recognizes and honors that special guardian who fought like a mama lion to give us a chance.

After an eleventh-hour medical crisis compounded by a half-dozen "specialists" getting an oar in without bothering to consult re potentiation of competing prescriptions the quintet of sibs were playing a tension-easing game of Trivial Pursuit with our mother when the question came up "Where did Israeli intelligence grab Adolf Eichmann?" We knew the danger had passed briefly when her reply was quick and witty, "By the balls."

Sic semper tyrannis and On to Fallujah.

Just in from the politico-medical intel analyst:

[snippy_about_it]

Great pics and links Phil. Loved the Trivial Pursuit story.

...her reply was quick and witty, "By the balls."

Now there is a woman I could relate to!

[snippy_about_it]

I'm glad they at least taught about him in his hometown.

[SAMWolf]

Evening Phil Dragoo

"Where did Israeli intelligence grab Adolf Eichmann?" We knew the danger had passed briefly when her reply was quick and witty, "By the balls."

Sounds like your mom and mine would get along great!

Every clinton crony available is coming out from under their rock now that election time is here.

[Iris7]

Those are bad odds the B-17 guys faced, if the average life expectancy was 15 missions. This means half were lost in fifteen missions, very roughly, or 50% divided by 15, or three and a third percent per mission. About the same as the British per mission. The Americans were done with one 25 mission tour, I think (?), giving them better odds than the British.

The statistics, as I recall, indicated much higher than average loss for crews on their first few missions. Apparently a learning curve involved, as one would expect.

As far as submarine patrols against Japan, if I recall correctly the boats were lost in six patrols or less. Top of my head I cannot remember any American boats lasting more than six patrols. The submarine service became incredibly aggressive, following the lead of Morton's Wahoo. Wahoo was lost in the Sea of Japan.

[SAMWolf]

An 8th Air Force tour was 25 missions.

[snippy_about_it]

Yep. After and if they completed 25 missions they could go home.

[Iris7]

Good morning, SAM,

My memory of past reading is something I am not used to checking with Google. Really Google was not much until the last couple of years. Anyway, this is more accurate than my memory:

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/submarines/centennial/pac-campaign.html