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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers Operation Pegasus-Relief of Khe Sanh(April 1-15, 1968)-Apr. 1st, 2004
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Posted on 03/31/2004 9:38:58 PM PST by SAMWolf

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To: SAMWolf
Yes, saw that bit of history and pieced it together.
They also stopped researching and investigating and started manipulating and instigating.
Pretty sick for supposed news and information 'brokers' to fail so miserably in their duties, and yet continue to claim they are doing their job!
41 posted on 04/01/2004 3:51:46 PM PST by Darksheare (Fortune for the day: Don't annoy the penguins, the Penguins will explode and destroy all human life!)
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To: PsyOp
Savages!
42 posted on 04/01/2004 3:56:34 PM PST by Samwise (I am going to need to be sedated before this election is over.)
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To: SAMWolf
Urban renewal with howitzers, one building at a time.
43 posted on 04/01/2004 4:02:29 PM PST by Darksheare (Fortune for the day: Don't annoy the penguins, the Penguins will explode and destroy all human life!)
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To: Darksheare; SAMWolf
Urban renewal...

For years, I've wanted to mix a batch of JP4 and Tide. Might be a good place to try it.
44 posted on 04/01/2004 6:48:07 PM PST by Professional Engineer (31Mar04 We laid O.J. Johnson, US Navy WW2 to rest today. He has sailed into the west...)
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To: Professional Engineer; SAMWolf
We're getting bad ideas.
*chuckle*
We're gonna end up on a 'persons of interest' list if we're not careful, no matter how noble the intent on our part.
But the feeling is still there!
I don't see as that can go unanswered.
But, professional soldiers cannot let revenge be a motive as that clouds judgement and degrades battlefield ability.
(But it improves destructive ability.)
I dunno, getting boo-koo tired since I've been awake for some reason or other since 4 this morning, not sure why.
So I'm babbling!
45 posted on 04/01/2004 7:05:18 PM PST by Darksheare (Fortune for the day: Don't annoy the penguins, the Penguins will explode and destroy all human life!)
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To: PsyOp
Well said, Bravo!

I agree 100%.. I will never Forget....
46 posted on 04/01/2004 8:26:46 PM PST by The Mayor (God always knocks loud enough for the seeking soul to hear.)
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To: PsyOp
If I were still in the military, and stationed in Iraq, I fear what my reaction would be. I know this--the people of Falluja wouldn't want me anywhere near their city with a weapon

Once again, I absolutley agree with you! I have one message for them and it's below.


47 posted on 04/01/2004 8:29:57 PM PST by The Mayor (God always knocks loud enough for the seeking soul to hear.)
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To: SAMWolf
(Please God! Not ANOTHER learning experience!)

LOL! Good night Sam.. : )

48 posted on 04/01/2004 8:31:45 PM PST by The Mayor (God always knocks loud enough for the seeking soul to hear.)
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To: Darksheare
We're gonna end up on a 'persons of interest' list if we're not careful, no matter how noble the intent on our part.

I had the same thought after posting. ruh roh

49 posted on 04/01/2004 8:33:43 PM PST by Professional Engineer (31Mar04 We laid O.J. Johnson, US Navy WW2 to rest today. He has sailed into the west...)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; E.G.C.; Victoria Delsoul; bentfeather; Aeronaut; The Mayor; aomagrat; ...

DUTY AT KHE SANH

Vietnam was America’s longest war. One of the most bitterly fought battles during that war was the siege of Khe Sanh. Toward the end of 1966, numerous large scale North Vietnamese units began consolidating around the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) separating North from South Vietnam. The Commander of US forces in Vietnam, General William C. Westmoreland, ordered Marine units northward – into a string of fire support bases just south of the DMZ. One of those bases was Khe Sanh.

All during 1967, Marines continued moving in to reinforce the tiny outpost. By January 1968 more than 6,000 Allied troops were on hand – dug in, ready to fight. But US intelligence reports indicated that some 15-20,000 North Vietnamese Army (NVA) regulars had them surrounded, virtually cut off from the outside world. The siege had begun.

At approximately 0530 hours on 21 January 1968, Communist gunners began hitting the camp with hundreds of rounds of rockets, mortars and artillery fire. One of the incoming rounds scored a direct hit on the camp’s main ordnance dump – destroying nearly 1,500 tons of ordnance in a few minutes. The Marines immediately requested an emergency resupply of ammunition. But the only way in was by airdrop.

Members of the 109th Quartermaster Company (Aerial Delivery) began around-the-clock operations. Quartermaster riggers loaded C-123s and delivered more than 130 tons of supplies during the next 36 hours – even flying and unloading at night by the light of Marine artillery flares. The operation became even more perilous as NVA antiaircraft guns opened fire. Between January and April 1968, when the siege was finally broken, Quartermaster riggers delivered nearly 12,500 tons of supplies, without which the Marines could never have survived.

There were many Quartermaster heroes during that tense period, as the country looked on. One such hero was Specialist Fourth Class Charles Charles L. Baney, a 20-year-old parachute rigger, whose C-130 crashed, killing him and all others on board during a low altitude supply drop at Khe Sahn. Spec 4 Baney’s overwhelming sense of DUTY, and eagerness to help those trapped on the ground below, places him in the finest tradition of Quartermaster soldiers supporting soldiers.

Airpower at Khe Sanh

The North Vietnamese thought it was Dien Bien Phu all over again. They thought wrong.

By Walter J. Boyne

Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap and other North Vietnamese military leaders dreamed of doing to America at Khe Sanh what they had done years before to France at Dien Bien Phu. There, in 1954, Communist troops had cut off a sizeable French force, put it under siege, forced it to surrender, and shattered France's colonial power. Hanoi hoped to do the same at Khe Sanh.

US leaders, particularly Gen. William C. Westmoreland, anticipated Giap's desire to re-enact his triumph and decided that any such attempt by the North Vietnamese could be turned into a massive US victory by the use of overwhelming airpower.

When the French Communist candidate took the podium of the Democrat National Convention in Boston in 2004, he carried with him the Peoples Revolutionary Hero Medal pinned to his underwear--exactly where Vo Nguyen Giap had placed it in Paris in 1971.

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The Boeing Sea Knight & Chinook

The sponsons and the nose-up attitude of the CH-46 on the ground gave the appearance of a frog ready to hop, and so the Marines nicknamed the type the "Frog". Although there was initial suspicion of the type as Marines were accustomed to Sikorsky helicopters, the Frog quickly proved itself in Vietnam after its introduction into the theater in March 1966, though the CH-46 fleet was grounded for a time in 1967 when a few of them were lost in accidents. The Frogs acquitted themselves well, particularly during the siege of Khe Sanh in early 1968.

174th Assault Helicopter Company


50 posted on 04/01/2004 9:17:45 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: CholeraJoe
Thanks for the Arnhem links CJ.
51 posted on 04/01/2004 9:55:38 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Matthew Paul
The most important event of the 20th Century happened a couple of days later!

LOL. I thought my birthday was the most important event! ;-)

52 posted on 04/01/2004 9:58:18 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Professional Engineer; Darksheare
We're gonna end up on a 'persons of interest' list if we're not careful, no matter how noble the intent on our part.

It isn't us that they should be interested in. We're just exhibiting our frustrations. I'm not ashamed or skeered to say I want them dead! Let them put me on their list, I'll shout it from the rooftops. I want them not just dead but suffering first. So there. </ rant>

You guys just know how to talk technical about how, I just know what I want the end result to be. ;-)

53 posted on 04/01/2004 10:03:18 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: PhilDragoo
Thank Phil for the excellent links and post.
54 posted on 04/01/2004 10:06:05 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: PhilDragoo
A quick glance at the history books..and one see's that conquerors did not sit and have coffee with their subjugated the next day..nor run around trying to feed them. Infact..history kinda reveals that conquerors were infatuated with making sure their opponent was thoroughly defeated.
various events occured after cities and nations fell.
Heads rolled..basket were filled with penises...the populace which survived was carted off and scattered to the four winds.

After millenia of conflict..these powers put into action what really worked.
then they ruled..for hundreds of years type thing.

Iraq is devolved into a police action..here we go again.
Whats gonna happen when the Shia and their green headband army get into he game?

Iraq may have lost Saddams army..but the Islamic one is getting its shit together.
Saddams army cut and ran..this Islamic army will not quit the field..unless it is trounced.

My forward looking observation...
In ten years....Southern Iraq will be knit to Iran..and the sytem will be pinging at its compass points..like Lebanon and Syria.

The Saudi's will not be able to money manage Islam's comming tantraum.

Allready Mahdi speak is breaking out....they do not need Al Jiwahiri and Ossama for this.

Oil will become a weapon..the Islamic army will take it away from the west in spite..and force the fight in Allahs name.

Europe will stand stunned in the headlights like allways..and chaos will shake thier Cogniac world.

Islam knows the oil is going to China..and the money is flowing to the Infidel.
all the more reason to take the oil away from us..and turn China to their side.

alot of trouble down the road....because we are letting Islam dictate the terms.

55 posted on 04/01/2004 10:15:04 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: Light Speed
Iran is the main enemy.

We should be overthrowing the Ayatollah Khamenei and his Guardian Counsel.

There can be no secular state in Iraq with Iran intact.

And there can never be peace for Israel with Syria in place.

Apparently Biden crowed to Matthews that the U.S. is too weakened to act against Iran and Syria.

A substantial number of our elected blowhards are wholly-owned subsidiaries of CAIR.

And China and North Korea are financing and arming terrorists.

Can this administration believe the same "new tone" that hasn't worked in Washington will work in Iraq?

Anything less than One Mob-One Moab is only going to make the opposition giggle.

56 posted on 04/01/2004 10:28:28 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Darksheare
I don't care if they like us or not, I want them to fear us.
57 posted on 04/01/2004 10:34:30 PM PST by SAMWolf (Please God! Not ANOTHER learning experience!)
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To: The Mayor
Good Night, Mayor.
58 posted on 04/01/2004 10:35:12 PM PST by SAMWolf (Please God! Not ANOTHER learning experience!)
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To: PhilDragoo
Evening Phil Dragoo.

Thanks for the Airpower at Khe Sanh links.

Love the "Winning Hearts and Minds"

IMHO, it's long past time to quit trying to win hearts and minds and start putting one of these into their bodies.

59 posted on 04/01/2004 10:38:21 PM PST by SAMWolf (Please God! Not ANOTHER learning experience!)
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To: Light Speed; PhilDragoo; Darksheare; Professional Engineer; PsyOp; Samwise; snippy_about_it
The U.S. has forgotten what it means to defeat an enemy, not just beat him on the field of battle but to defeat them. PC wars are BS. I'm tired of hearing about "innocent civilians", my mom was an "innocent civilian" it didn't stop the U.S. or Britain from bombing her out of her home twice or laying waste to her country in order to defeat Germany. I've seen very little to convince me that there are a lot of "innocents" in the Arab world. Too many streets filled with "civilians" celebrating after an American or coalition soldier is killed, to many mobs desecrating bodies. Atfer the next attack and a crowd appears to celebrate I want to see an AC-130 do a street clearing run.

Now let's hunt these bastards down where ever they hide and exterminate them. No negotiations, No reasoning, No prisoners. Just dead.

"200 years from now, I want their children's children's children's children to cower and cringe in fear whenever they hear the sounds of jet engines overhead because their legends tell of fire from the sky.

I want them to hide in dark caves and holes in the earth, shivering with terror whenever they hear the roar of diesel engines because the tales of their ancestors talk about metal monsters crawling over the earth, spitting death and destruction.

I want their mothers to be able to admonish them with "If you don't behave, the Pale Destroyers will come for you", and that will be enough to reduce them to quivering obesience.

I want the annihilation to be so complete that their mythology will tell them of the day of judgment when the stern gods from across the sea .. the powerful 'Mericans .. destroyed their forefathers' wickedness."

60 posted on 04/01/2004 10:51:20 PM PST by SAMWolf (Please God! Not ANOTHER learning experience!)
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