The FReeper Foxhole Revisits Tet 1968 - Jan. 31st, 2004

http://members.fortunecity.com/stalinmao/Vietnam/VietnamWar/tet.html ^

[SAMWolf]

Actually if we start making the punishment fit the crime on a daily basis then it will no longer be unusual.

Amen!

[SAMWolf]

Evevning Victoria. Thanks I'm working on it. Getting lots of rest today.

[SAMWolf]

Hi Radu. You feeling better?

[SAMWolf]

If I was in Oregon I could probably physically wrestle him as bad as he feels today. LOL

HEy You'd still at least know you were in a fight! ;-)

[SAMWolf]

Thanks GailA.

[SAMWolf]

Evening Phil Dragoo.

Vietnam Veterans Against the War Statement by John Kerry to the Senate Committee of Foreign Relations
April 23, 1971

I would like to talk on behalf of all those veterans and say that several months ago in Detroit we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit - the motions in the room and the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

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In our opinion and from our experience, there is nothing in South Vietnam which could happen that realistically threatens the United States of America. And to attempt to justify the loss of one American life in Vietnam, Cambodia or Laos by linking such loss to the preservation of freedom, which those misfits supposedly abuse, is to us the height of criminal hypocrisy, and it is that kind of hypocrisy which we feel has torn this country apart.

[PhilDragoo]

The Joint Chiefs went to the White House November 1965 to urge Johnson to allow them to bomb Hanoi and mine Haiphong.

He gave them fifteen minutes standing up to make their case, then cursed them in humiliating fashion.

The Day It Became the Longest War, Proceedings, May 1996.

Johnson prevented effective action with his asinine rules of engagement, rules which protected the Communists.

Johnson bugged out, after forcing better men than he to die with one hand tied behind their back.

He was preoccupied throwing six trillion away on his War On Poverty.

JFK's NSAM 263 of September 1963 began the withdrawal of US advisors to be complete by the election of 1964.

LBJ's NSAM 273 signed November 26, 1963, the first business day after JFK's funeral, rescinded that.

Yet LBJ was not "in for a penny, in for a pound", he was as phony as Kerry getting Vietnam real estate contracts for his cousin Forbes.

The Vietnamese Communists later said they'd laughed at Johnson's professed concern of involving the Soviet Union and China in Vietnam.

As though they weren't.

The resilience of American forces in the face of the sudden attacks stands as clear testament to their bravery and strength.

They deserved a President Goldwater and skies black with B-52s, not Little Miss Muffett sanitizing target lists, awarding the Communists safe haven on four sides of the board.

I went door-to-door for Goldwater as a dangerous right-wing member of YAF.

Today, terrorists prefer Hanoi John Kerry, who sought to cut counterintelligence by a billion, to cut the B-1, B-2, Apache, Patriot, Aegis.

The F in John F. Kerry is for Forbes.

In 1991, the United States Senate created the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs to examine the possibility that U.S. POW/MIAs might still be held by the Vietnamese.
As chairman of the Select Committee, Kerry proved himself to be a masterful chameleon portraying to the public at large what appeared to be an unbiased approach to resolving the POW/MIA issue.
But, in reality, no one in the United States Senate pushed harder to bury the POW/MIA issue, the last obstacle preventing normalization of relations with Hanoi, than John Forbes Kerry.
In fact, his first act as chairman was to travel to Southeast Asia, where during a stopover in Bangkok, Thailand, he lectured the U.S. Chamber of Commerce there on the importance of lifting the trade embargo and normalizing relations with Vietnam.
During the entire life of the Senate Select Committee, Kerry never missed a chance to propaganderize and distort the facts in favor of Hanoi.

C. Stewart Forbes, Chief Executive Officer of Colliers International (Kerry's cousin), was awarded a contract worth billions designating Colliers International as the exclusive real estate agent representing Vietnam.

Clinton says Kerry not too far left

[SAMWolf]

I have no problem getting to that site, must be you.

[SAMWolf]

Parsley? All those garnished wages. :-)

[SAMWolf]

Excellent flick.

[SAMWolf]

Sounds like that worm that sends you to a search engine.

[U S Army EOD]

Well I guess we FReepers just need to go on the offensive during some of Kerry's public speeches. Hold up the signs that would bring attention to this and get his reaction to it on the news. I'm game to do it, anybody else?

[SAMWolf]

Communists plan very, very long term. Figure the people they wanted to be in power in the 90's and now where recruited in the 60's.

[U S Army EOD]

Kind of make you wonder if Kerry didn't plan his medals in Vietnam, it sure looks like he did.

[SAMWolf]

From what I read. The purple hearts are legit, even thhough the wounds were light(luck of the draw). The Silver Star sounds suspicious, looks like "rules" were bypassed.

[U S Army EOD]

But it seems he knew three Purple Hearts would get him out of country. I wonder if anyone actually saw him get hit. I really do.

When Long Binh ammo depot blew in 1972 I had a 1st LT that lived near me. He and I had several run ins and I threatened to have him court martialed one time. Anyway I told him to stay put while I got my unit in gear and ready to go. Then I grabed my 1st Sgt and we drove into the ammo dump while it was blowing to check on an infantry security unit that was reporting rounds landing among them and exploding. I went in and stayed with these guys and called their CO and told him he needed to pull them out. He said no they say, at which time I told him to get his ass down where we were and assess the situation. He decided to pull them out.

This other guy which happened to be his exec gets his jeep and camera so he can get some neat pictures. He is still about a mile away from the explosions when a tip of a PD fuze lands in the jeep with him. He jumps out and hurts his back a little bit and they give him a, "Purple Heart".

[Professional Engineer]

Fascinating isn't it?

Absolutely. One of the many things I enjoy about the Foxhole is being able to share stories and learn about the stuff other guys/gals have expirienced.

[snippy_about_it]

HEy You'd still at least know you were in a fight! ;-)

No doubt about it :-)

[snippy_about_it]

All those garnished wages

ha ha ha!

[snippy_about_it]

Yep. It's a worm. :-(