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The FReeper Foxhole Studies Army Mortuary Affairs History - November 7th, 2003
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Posted on 11/07/2003 3:33:16 AM PST by snippy_about_it

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To: snippy_about_it
Although I expect he won't grow much.

LOL, you're right. 11 1/2 inches is the max.

81 posted on 11/07/2003 6:45:52 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul (I love the smell of winning, the taste of victory, and the joy of each glorious triumph)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Well have fun with him and let us know when you get a picture.
82 posted on 11/07/2003 6:55:23 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Thanks Snippy. I will.
83 posted on 11/07/2003 6:56:59 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul (I love the smell of winning, the taste of victory, and the joy of each glorious triumph)
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To: PhilDragoo
Good post, Phil. Thank you.
84 posted on 11/07/2003 6:59:06 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul (I love the smell of winning, the taste of victory, and the joy of each glorious triumph)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
MAN!!!!!! I hope you don't go for the foo-foo hairstyle.
It's bad enough it's a cute little doggie without having it run around dressed like some fag and getting beat up by cats.
85 posted on 11/07/2003 7:44:53 PM PST by SAMWolf (A foot is a device for finding furniture in the dark.)
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To: PhilDragoo
Thanks for the information on the latest dog tags being developed. Gotta love the technology.
86 posted on 11/07/2003 7:46:07 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Tough thread today, snippy. Good job, though.
87 posted on 11/07/2003 7:49:11 PM PST by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: PhilDragoo
Evening Phil Dragoo.

Those new Hi-Tech dog tags sure look like they could be helpful in tracking a soldier.







So many good flicks for McQueen, loved him in "The Getaway" and "The Magnificent Seven"

88 posted on 11/07/2003 7:55:02 PM PST by SAMWolf (A foot is a device for finding furniture in the dark.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
11 1/2 inches is the max.

I have a cat bigger than that.

89 posted on 11/07/2003 7:56:25 PM PST by SAMWolf (A foot is a device for finding furniture in the dark.)
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To: SAMWolf
I can't even begin to imagime the anguish of families going on for years "not knowing" for sure.

Back in '90 or so, my boss's brother's remains were identified and returned from Viet Nam. He went down in a plane crash, if I remember right. There were big articles in the paper, and a big ceremony was held in D.C. to honor him. She would not go. I gently tried to talk her into going, but she said she couldn't go through the pain again. You could not have kept me away, were he my brother. We each have to deal with things in our own ways.

90 posted on 11/07/2003 8:00:12 PM PST by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: Samwise
Thank you Samwise.
91 posted on 11/07/2003 8:00:29 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Samwise
I would have gone too, as painful as it would be. Like you said though, we all have to deal with it in our own way.
92 posted on 11/07/2003 8:12:35 PM PST by SAMWolf (A foot is a device for finding furniture in the dark.)
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To: SAMWolf
I wonder what Kennedy or Clinton means in Aztec??
93 posted on 11/07/2003 8:31:42 PM PST by U S Army EOD (Just plain Wootten)
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To: snippy_about_it
Did you look at the CAP site I sent you? That would be a great thing to post.
94 posted on 11/07/2003 8:37:51 PM PST by U S Army EOD (Just plain Wootten)
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To: PhilDragoo; SAMWolf; Johnny Gage
Excerpts from Defence Daily..earlier date than Phils ref.

The U.S. Air Force acknowledged recently, in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, that the F-117A stealth bomber that went down in Yugoslavia in March (1999) was hit because of a "breakdown in mission planning" by U.S. commanders in the field. That breakdown in planning caused the plane to encounter defenses it was not designed to handle.

Retired Air Force Gen. Richard Hawley, former head of the Air Combat Command who oversaw the Air Force's fleet of aircraft, said in response to the service's admission that the plane was shot down: "before that airplane took off from Aviano, there was better than a 50-50 chance it would be shot down. Those are unacceptable odds."

Intelligence officials concede that the stealth bomber's downing, whether by anti-aircraft fire or not, raises issue of the incorporation of timely intelligence on rapidly changing weapons capabilities of adversaries against which the U.S. may have to engage, into the training and intelligence briefings that are given to pilots.

Continuing, this official said he doubted whether much intelligence regarding weapons systems that pilots might encounter in the Kosovo theater were incorporated into training and briefings. For instance, there was the Soviet-made 2S6 Integrated Air Defense System. It could have posed a formidable threat in particular to attacks by the A-10 anti-tank/armor attack aircraft and the Apache attack helicopters. The 2S6 is armed with 30-mm cannons and SA-19 surface-to-air missiles. According to a classified report provided to SOURCES, the 2S6 "was designed to defeat low flying aircraft and fast helicopters in the ground attack role."

NATO's concern about the 2S6 began in the early 1990s, shortly after the capabilities of the new anti-aircraft weapon system were confirmed by British intelligence, according to the classified report. Consequently, the secret report states, "with the 2S6 operational, NATO air tactics may have to be adjusted to include new types of countermeasures and techniques."

It's unclear whether these "new types of countermeasures and techniques" were incorporated into the air war against Yugoslavia, or whether NATO was at all concerned about the 2S6's deployment throughout the Yugoslav army. Some European military analysts speculate that the 2S6 or similar anti-aircraft weaponry may have brought down the F-117A stealth fighter. Other analysts, however, say the F-117A does not operate within the envelope of the 2S6's 30mm fire, nor does it deliver ordinance against a target in any manner which would bring it low enough to be hit by 30mm fire.

excerpt from Aeronatics:

A far more serious reason for Yugoslavia to conceal any evidence of NATO losses is the fact that many of such losses were caused by new SAM systems and upgrades for older ones supplied by Russia prior or during the war in violation of the UN sanctions. Any revelations regarding NATO losses will inevitably draw attention to Russia's role in the war. Considering that Russia is Yugoslavia largest and only weapons supplier, attempts on the part of Yugoslav military and government to draw attention away from NATO losses and Russian military assistance is understandable. According to reports released by Jane's, Russia might have supplied Yugoslavia with up to ten S-300PM long-range SAM systems (an older variant of the S-300PMU-1 currently in service in a number of countries). Stratfor also reported that Russia might have supplied Yugoslavia with as many as 50 of its latest 2S6M "Tunguska" SAM-AAA mobile systems. Additionally, Jane's reported that prior to the war Russia modernized a number of Yugoslav SAMs with new targeting and guidance equipment.

My comment...Did Emperor Clintonius say or do anyhting about this obvious violation of U.N. Sanctions?..

Or was he **still to busy arranging money laundering?

95 posted on 11/07/2003 9:00:44 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: U S Army EOD
Yes I looked at it, good idea thanks. :)
96 posted on 11/07/2003 9:24:33 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: PhilDragoo
BTTT!!!!!!!
97 posted on 11/08/2003 3:08:14 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Light Speed; SAMWolf; Johnny Gage; Sawdring; Grampa Dave
A Google search with key words

clinton + sanction + russia + kosovo + yugoslavia + "air defense"

brings 185 pages, none of which indicate Clinton sanctioned Russia for its air defense assistance in the Kosovo campaign.

I am shocked, shocked.

Bill Gertz, Betrayal: How the Clinton Administration Undermined American Security, Regnery, 1999, Chapter Eight: From Russia with Technology, pp 167-190, relates Russia's aid to Iran and Clinton's words not deeds approach to sanctions.

One and a half years after President Yeltsin told President Clinton that ballistic missile technology transfers to Iran would stop, it still continues. . . .Now time is running out; the stakes are great. . .Unless this problem is solved we see a potential trainwreck in our relations.

White House National Security Adviser Samuel Berger to Russian Security Council Secretary Andrei Kokoshin during a closed-door Kremlin meeting in May 1998.

Samuel Berger--who was lead counsel representing China at Hogan & Hartson: China's major mouthpiece appointed U.S. National Security Adviser by Clinton with not a peep from Republican eunuchs.

Gore and Chernomyrdin had a little under the table hand-holding called the Gore-Chernomyrdin Commission.

Gore and his father were puppet-protectors of Soviet bagman Armand Hammer whose father Julian founded the CPUSA in 1919.

Bush accused Chernomyrdin of profiting in the IMF loans to Russia laundering; Chernomyrdin angrily threatened to sue Bush.

Chernomyrdin did no such thing; Bush beat Gore.

Kremlin bagman Pavel Borodin was arrested in New York en route to Bush's innauguration.

Two Russian generals aided Iraq before the war. Their adorable comment was, "We did not come to Baghdad to drink coffee."

For all the Russian aid to Iraq, Iran, Syria, Yugoslavia, and all the Chinese aid to the above plus North Korea; and all the North Korean aid to all of the above plus Elbonia, Dyslexia and the Peoples Republic of Berkeley, Clinton sanctioned only Bill Gates, Elian Gonzales and Ken Starr--

And audited Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Bill O'Reilly--

b-but, we were told that only Nixon would stoop so low.

98 posted on 11/08/2003 3:39:42 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
I believe there is absolutely nothing the Clintons wouldn't do to get and hold power.
99 posted on 11/08/2003 5:03:57 PM PST by SAMWolf (A fool and his money are soon partying.)
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