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Why Do Conservatives Still Love the Drug War?
Campaign for Liberty ^ | 2010-04-02 | Jacob Hornberger

Posted on 04/04/2010 6:51:11 AM PDT by rabscuttle385

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To: Rockingham

I didn’t as for specifics, I just asked if the fact that the accusations are made outside of a courtroom means there aren’t any consequeces if you’re wrong.


601 posted on 04/17/2010 10:33:23 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
With some limitations, a defamation suit can be brought for a knowing or reckless false accusation of a crime. No claims for defamation can be made on behalf of someone who is dead, and truth is a defense.

Some persons, such as most criminals, are effectively unable to prove damages for defamation because their reputations are already bad, and statements as to public figures enjoy a qualified privilege. Statements made as opinion or supported by facts are also strongly defensible.

Sanctions may be imposed by a court or bar association against an attorney for a knowing or reckless false accusation of a crime, but rarely and in more limited circumstances. Proof of the knowing or reckless nature of an accusation is often hard to establish.

602 posted on 04/17/2010 11:27:10 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
With some limitations, a defamation suit can be brought for a knowing or reckless false accusation of a crime.

So, as long as you don't get sued there aren't any consequences?

603 posted on 04/17/2010 11:34:05 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

That depends. What do you have in mind?


604 posted on 04/17/2010 11:35:20 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
That depends. What do you have in mind?

Does it matter?

Does your assesment of the potential consequences of your actions ever extend beyond what the effect might be on you, personally?

605 posted on 04/17/2010 11:44:18 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

More so than you, I wager.


606 posted on 04/17/2010 11:47:12 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
More so than you, I wager.

So far, none of your replies have exhibited any evidence of it.

607 posted on 04/17/2010 12:10:05 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

This comes from someone who called me a “liberal plant” — which are near fightin’ words in this forum.


608 posted on 04/17/2010 12:32:37 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
This comes from someone who called me a “liberal plant” — which are near fightin’ words in this forum.

I did not call you a liberal plant. I observed that your arguments are consistent with what a liberal plant wanting to subvert any attempt to organize a campaign to take back their gains based on a return to original intent jurisprudence would argue.

You don't have to be a liberal plant to make those arguments, but the net effect of adopting them will be the same.

609 posted on 04/17/2010 12:57:38 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Hairsplitting.


610 posted on 04/17/2010 3:56:32 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
Hairsplitting.

The difference between disagreeing with someone's opinion or ideas and attacking them personally is not "hairsplitting".

611 posted on 04/18/2010 10:03:41 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
Oh really? Here's where you lumped me with the ideologies of the Left and the events that destroyed the country's original constitutional framework:

Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:07:35 PM · 487 of 611

tacticalogic to Rockingham

but they never expected modern conditions of commerce or the weakening of the states due to the Civil War, Progressivism, Socialism, the Depression, and the New Deal.

And Rockinghams.

612 posted on 04/18/2010 10:15:36 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

I may have been mistaken about that. They did include and ratify the 10th Amendment.


613 posted on 04/18/2010 1:50:04 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

?


614 posted on 04/18/2010 2:38:47 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
The inclusion of the Tenth Amendment indicates they anticipated that it would be forgotten or ignored that the federal govenment is supposed to be limited to only those powers that were enumerated, as they were understood when they were granted.

If the Founder's never anticipated any of those things happening, how can it be submitted that they would support using stare decicis to prevent a return to original intent?

615 posted on 04/18/2010 2:52:34 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Stare decisis was a recognized principle of judicial reasoning at the time of the Convention and when the Bill of Rights was drafted. The Tenth Amendment did not address stare decisis.


616 posted on 04/18/2010 3:28:21 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
In Raisch, Scalia put lipstick on a pig.

The lipstick is stare decisis. The pig is the substantial effects doctrine.

You say it has lipstick.

I say it's a pig.

You ask why I don't like lipstick.

It's not about the lipstick, it's about the pig.

617 posted on 04/18/2010 3:42:40 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
Back at Raisch are we?
618 posted on 04/18/2010 3:50:57 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

No, I’m still on the pig.


619 posted on 04/18/2010 3:51:43 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: rabscuttle385; Bokababe

It’s very simple, you cant have freedom in a welfare state. Which is what we are.

Crack and Crystal Meth. One or two highs and we got another zombie taken care of by the state.


620 posted on 04/18/2010 8:53:35 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=taxes delayed")
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