Interesting article BTW. I don't agree with it all, I think some of the premises are flawed, but that again... I haven't read everything by every "libertarian" author out there.
Posted on 02/18/2010 6:06:02 PM PST by Delacon
I left them and joined the criminal party on March 15, 2001. When Bush signed the Bankruptcy “Reform” Nonsense. As a Democrat, I don’t have to put up with dumbness from the GOP and as a Democrat, I get to vote a whole lot more often.
parsy, the practical
I think you give libertarians more credit than they deserve(did ya read the freakin article? :)) For myself I just mentioned the meat and potato disagreements, but yes there is a lot to disagree with. But that shouldnt preclude libertarians from being under the tent because you disagree with them on particular issues. They sure as hell aren’t compassionate conservatives(how do you think that will work next time around?). They will keep my traditional(not to be confused with social) cons on our toes. I invite that. They will give us dimension during any debate that might actually attract the independent voter. Just sayin.
Interesting article BTW. I don't agree with it all, I think some of the premises are flawed, but that again... I haven't read everything by every "libertarian" author out there.
Good luck, but I think if the Birther Units formed their own party, it would get more votes than the libertarians.
parsy, who is going to practice and refine his poo flinging technique. (I think it is all in the wrist....)
In the face of Kelo, and a broad interpetation of the general welfare clause, which both republicans and democrats like to play with, dont you think some libertarian “no coersion” might help the republican party?
IMO... of course.
A minimum wage simply distorts the market, giving employers an incentive to look for alternatives to using labor (or legal labor), and/or to pass the additional costs on to the consumers (as, you said, “for the rest of us to take care of”). There’s no magic money fairy, it comes from somewhere. A minimum wage is a lot like a labor union, any potential good for the union members comes at a cost to others.
Jeeze P, I think libertarians help. Who thinks birthers do? Get serious. The fate of freedom and democracy hangs in the balance. :)
Well, duh. Most of these (though not child labor, at least) are socialist, by any decent definition of socialism. They are manifestations of violence on a mass scale. You think it's OK to take money from me & my family, at gunpoint, to give it to others you deem more deserving. Call it whatever you want, it's still a monstrous evil.
Believe me yet? Another “conservative” who thinks social security is socialism. Gee, I guess Ronald Reagan was our first Socialist President?
parsy, who will send you some more of these if you like
Don’t even get me started on the Birther Units and the CBC (Collective Birther Consciousness).
parsy, who is resting up from battling them
I see; that would be like me saying "I'm a republican, but I don't have anything to do with the Republican Party". As I've mentioned many times in my debates with libertarians (note the small "l"), "While you might not totally agree with your parties platform, your political identity is based on the party you agree with most when it comes to their platform."
Besides that, libertarians hijacked the word from Christianity to begin with. Here's an excellent article by Bojidar Marinov entitled "Can I be a libertarian without Christ". Definitely worth the read. http://www.americanvision.org/article/can-i-be-a-libertarian-without-christ/
Sloth it comes down to this, both parties pols are promising to make goverment take care of the people. Libertarians are the only ones who say that the government shouldnt be in that business. I think that is an idea that libertarians should shout to the rafters.
That would be a perfectly reasonable thing to say. Article IV of the U.S. Constitution, for example, states that "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government." Are you suggesting that they're referring to the political party that wouldn't exist for another 60 years or so?
Or the Neocons poisoning the water like the Muslims down in Ft. Jackson tried to do.
However, in '64 Reagan gave a speech which was opposed to big government programs (I believe it was Medicare at the time), called: A Time for Choosing.
As far as I know, Ronald Reagan didn't once propose a large government program unrelated to national defense. Not once. In fact he recommended the demolition of several.
I don’t think Social Security is socialism.
I just think it’s a gigantic ponzi scam on the American taxpayer, which any private concern would go to prision for running.
Big difference.
Republicans are somewhat closer, but is still too much driven by the nanny staters to be able to garner my wholehearted support.
The problem is my friend, is that the word “libertarian” has been grossly perverted.
“God [is] “the true sovereign and the true source of law.” “Western liberty began when the claim of the State to be man’s savior was denied. The State then, according to Scripture, was made the ministry of justice. But, wherever Christ ceases to be man’s Savior, there liberty perishes as the State again asserts its messianic claims. Man is in trouble, and history is the record of his attempt to find salvation. Man needs a savior, and the question is simply one of choice: Christ or the State? No man can choose one without denying the other, and all attempts at compromise are a delusion.”
http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=963
Would you not agree that in the minds and through the actions of the majority of libertarians, that Christ and His Father’s laws play a very insignificant role (if any)?
I would say that is true not only of libertarians, but also of Republicans, Democrats, and even those who call themselves Christians.
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