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What It Feels Like To Be A Libertarian
McDonough School of Business, Georgetown University ^ | 2009-01 | Prof. John Hasnas

Posted on 10/09/2009 8:18:11 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

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To: LifeComesFirst

Fe Fi Fo Fum, I smell the stench of a lib-er-tar-ian. I need to go delouse after being around your godless bunch.


121 posted on 10/12/2009 9:46:09 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: LifeComesFirst

Here’s a couple of articles from the Party I support: The Constitution Party. They explain that our nation was found under “Christian Principles”:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=90

The fatalists will inherit the gulag


Posted: September 04, 2000
1:00 am Eastern

By Chuck Baldwin


WorldNetDaily.com

My mailbox is often inundated with rebuke and criticism from Christian brethren. They accuse me of being out of God’s will, wasting God’s time and money, violating the “separation of church and state,” among other things. A recent e-mail is a case in point.
A preacher writes, “When we ought to be jumping for joy and praising the Lord at the unfoldment (sic: his word) of his prophesies concerning the one world government ... you want to fight against God and try and prevent the world from obeying the dictates of his word.” He continues, “This country has never been a ‘Christian nation’. ...”
That such an opinion could be held by Christian leaders in our country today is incredible, to say the least. No wonder we cannot stir the pews to Christian activism. They are being sedated and lulled to sleep by blind and callused pulpits!
Our Lord told us that we are the “salt of the earth.” Salt is a preservative that prevents decay. When Christians refuse to stand boldly and courageously against evil and wickedness (in any form), they have lost their savor and are declared to be “good for nothing.”
God’s Word foretold Christ’s crucifixion, but Jesus pronounced judgment upon the man who fulfilled the prediction. Most assuredly, Judas Iscariot fulfilled prophecy. Does this mean that he can claim no personal responsibility for his treason? Of course not.
That God’s Word warns of coming evil and wickedness provides no excuse for Christians to cowardly shirk their responsibility to stand against evil and wickedness wherever and however it appears! And make no mistake about it: the effort to steal our nation’s sovereignty is wicked! God established nationhood. It is a devilish notion to sacrifice our independence to any global institution. Christians who refuse to stand against this satanic system are traitors to their country and to their Creator!
Would the good minister take the same approach to a maniacal home invader? Would he suggest that to stand against a rapist or murderer would be tantamount to fighting against God? Is he suggesting that we should simply praise the Lord and do nothing when evil men attempt to kidnap our children, rape our wives, or murder our sons? How ludicrous can one get?
That God will accomplish His sovereign plan is understood. God has a job to do, and so do we. John Quincy Adams said succinctly, “Duty is ours; results are God’s.” If our Christian forefathers had held the kind of fatalistic beliefs that many preachers today hold, we would still be a slave colony of Great Britain.
As to America not being a Christian nation: it is obvious that there is a serious lack of knowledge regarding the kind of men who carved out this nation, and their philosophy of government. Samuel Chase is a prime example. As a member of the Continental Congress and as an Associate Supreme Court justice from 1796-1811, he certainly understood America’s founding principles. Chase said, “By our form of government, the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are placed upon the same equal footing, and are equally entitled to protection in their religious liberty.”
Perhaps no name is more associated with America’s fight for independence than that of Patrick Henry. He emphatically stated, “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.”
America’s first Supreme Court Chief Justice and co-author of the Federalist Papers, John Jay, agreed. He said, “Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”
The writer of our National Anthem, Francis Scott Key, was no less convinced. He proclaimed, “The patriot who feels himself in the service of God, who acknowledges Him in all his ways, has the promise of Almighty direction, and will find His Word in his greatest darkness, ‘a lantern to his feet and a lamp unto his paths.’ He will, therefore, seek to establish for his country in the eyes of the world, such a character as shall make her not unworthy of the name of a Christian nation.”
There is one more thing: Christ warned that when believers lose their resistance to decay it will not be long and they will be “cast out and trodden under the foot of men.” This, my friend, means that tyranny and oppression are not far behind.
Fatalistic Christians are laying the groundwork for the enslavement and persecution of their children. This is nothing to rejoice about!


122 posted on 10/12/2009 10:21:37 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: LifeComesFirst

http://www.covenantnews.com/goza040901.htm


Our Civil Duty


By Michael Goza


An Open Letter To Christians

My intent by this letter is not to offend, but to awake Christians, and more specifically pastors, to what the Bible says is our civil duty. It is because of our failure in civil arena that we find ourselves in a country whose society is in a moral tailspin, and whose corrupt government now considers those who profess a belief in Jesus Christ, the Bible, and the U.S. Constitution as a possible “terrorist threat”.

If some are offended then so be it. Maybe some offense is what is needed to awaken those that are in a deep slumber while the pillars of society are crashing around them.

We should all be offended at the state of affairs in this nation, and the willful blindness and apathy of those who profess to be Christians to stand against the tyranny and evil which has enveloped us. We are called to be the “salt” and “light” to the world. (Matthew 5:13-16) Does this not also apply to the civil arena? Can we be held personally accountable for a government that is in rebellion to God’s word? What does God expect of us as citizens of an eternal Kingdom who live in a temporal, earthly Kingdom? Is spreading the good news of the Gospel our only duty and responsibility as Christians? Is there more expected of us? What does the Bible say?

Let us turn to the prophet Isaiah in his scathing rebuke of Judah. For two hundred years following Judah’s birth as an independent nation, she experienced blessings of prosperity followed by the curse of national arrogance, greed, and lust. When she began to disobey God and His principles in government, God condemned her behavior through the prophets. The most vocal of these was the prophet Isaiah.

When the civil leaders and the people of Judah turned their backs to God, and began to practice every form of rebellion to God’s word, from worshiping pagan gods, promoting rampant homosexuality, sacrificing infant babies, to every imaginable form of corruption in their civil government, to whom did Isaiah lay the blame? He blamed not only the civil rulers, but the people as well. Even though Judah was a theocracy, they had a say in who was appointed as their civil leaders. By failing to correct or remove those civil leaders when they became rebellious to God’s Law’s, they themselves were to be held accountable for the sins of the nation as well.

According to Deuteronomy Chapters16 & 17, if the people appointed individuals who followed God’s Laws and practiced moral behavior, God would richly bless that nation. But, if the people continued to tolerate evil and corrupt leaders, then they had failed in their responsibility and would be judged harshly.

What does this say for the citizens of the United States? Even more specifically, the Christians and Pastors of this nation? We have a representative form of government and have a say in who we elect as our leaders. Yet, we continue to elect and re-elect leaders who are in rebellion to God’s Word.

We now live under a government that not only protects homosexuals, but actually promotes it in our society and schools.

Abortion has continued unabated under Republican, as well as Democratic leadership.

Every form of corruption imaginable is taking place before our very eyes. We are headed towards an anti-Christ system and losing our independence as a nation at shocking speed yet, where are the Christians and Pastors who should be speaking against it? Will God not hold us accountable, as He did the people of Judah, for the failure in our responsibility to correct or remove those who are taking us down the path of unrighteousness? Are we to be the “salt” and “light” to this dying world in words only? Or only behind the four walls of the Church?

When Pastors refuse to take a stand against the immoral actions of our government because they feel that the church is not the place to “mix politics and religion”, or fear of “dividing the congregation”, or “jeopardizing their 501c3 status”, then we should not be surprised to see the lack of revival in our nation. There are those that have bought into the lie of “separation of church and state”.

First, there is no such separation in the Constitution. I assure you that God believes in no such separation. God does not stand on the sidelines in this issue. According to scripture God is the absolute authority over all civil governments.

Isaiah warned that when we have civil leaders who continue to do every form of evil, especially those that continue to permit the blight of abortion, that they will have the “blood on their hands”. But, he also warned that for us to continue to elect such civil leaders, or fail in removing them, and to stand against this evil, that the “blood is on our hands” as well, and that God would turn His face away from our prayers. Isaiah 1:15. James 4:17 also emphasizes the principle. “Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins”.

There are many well-meaning Christians and pastors who continue to support and advocate voting for George Bush this November. I’ve heard many say he is the “lesser of two evils,” or a vote for a third party is essentially a vote for Kerry. These are all plausible arguments for a non-Christian. A Christian should not look to the fact of who has the best chance of winning, nor should we settle for the “lesser of two evils.” We as Christians should never compromise with evil. A vote for the lesser of evil is still a vote for evil. Anyone who is not willfully blind or ignorant of the facts should obviously see that Bush has done more harm to liberty and our Constitution than Clinton did in his eight years in office. We have a duty to inform ourselves and vote for a candidate that most reflects our moral values and who openly promotes a return to the Biblical principles this country was founded upon. There is only one candidate that has made that stand. Michael Peroutka, the presidential nominee of The Constitution Party. www.constitutionparty.com or www.peroutka2004.com While political parties are not the only way to bring this nation back into submission to God’s Laws, it is an avenue that we can, and should use, to effect positive change.

Michael Goza
MRGOZA@peoplepc.com


123 posted on 10/12/2009 10:24:10 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: aSeattleConservative

1 John 2:9-11


124 posted on 10/12/2009 7:38:18 PM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free.)
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To: rabscuttle385; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ..



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125 posted on 10/13/2009 12:03:33 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: sasportas

The libertarians have strongly opposed the expansion of government. Can’t say the same about the compassionate conservative Bush, the neo-cons or pro-life but liberal on fiscal policy types.


126 posted on 10/13/2009 1:04:43 PM PDT by misterrob (A society that burdens future generations with debt can not be considered moral or just)
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To: rabscuttle385

Wait for the know-nothings to show up and claim that the sorry state of the Republican party is all our fault.

And then to belittle the party by claiming it to be too insignificant to matter... while at the same time casting blame from point 1.

Then, they’ll claim all Libertarians all are pot-smoking hippy liberal Democrats that need to be run out on a rail.

Just wait, it won’t take long for the know-nothings to appear.


127 posted on 10/13/2009 4:27:12 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: rabscuttle385
What It Feels Like To Be A Libertarian

Well, you're around books a lot, and you're almost required to wear rimless or half-glasses.

128 posted on 10/13/2009 4:36:10 PM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: aSeattleConservative
“Laws are pointless unless there exists, within the body of people whose conduct is governed by such laws, an underlying support for voluntary compliance with them.”

The majority rules huh? If pedophilia is popular, legalize it? Again, we base our laws on God’s moral code. Up until recently, it worked pretty good.

Until the 1980's, the national speed limit was 55 mph. How many people followed it?

And the majority eventually managed to overturn it. Why would you want to bring that back?

129 posted on 10/13/2009 4:37:21 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: aSeattleConservative

Based off your comments... the government has determined that you have ruined your life.

Please report to the nearest ethics/morality camp for re-indoctrination.


If that bothers you, then you do not like others enforcing your own attitude/beliefs *ONTO* you.


130 posted on 10/13/2009 4:41:26 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: aSeattleConservative
So sorry Mr. moral relativist, God decides what is right and what is wrong, not man. When we violate God’s laws we pay for it. It’s something to think about as you toke away tonight (it’s all about the freedom to get hiiiiiigh isn’t it rab?).

And you are interpreting G-d's word.

Why should anyone listen to you? My word is the correct word. And I shall *MAKE* you obey my word.

Which is, essentially, what you argue.

131 posted on 10/13/2009 4:46:04 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: aSeattleConservative

You know, I was allowed to drink and smoke from the moment I could ask for it.

And after trying them, underage... I don’t really feel much need to smoke and drink.

Why would drugs be different?


132 posted on 10/13/2009 4:52:53 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: aSeattleConservative
A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice.

Thomas Paine

Who was, of course, an atheist.

A learned blockhead is a greater blockhead than an ignorant one.

Benjamin Franklin

A Mason, of course.

Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness.

George Washington

Another Mason.

Our nation was not founded on "Christian Principles" as espoused by priests and pastors.

If anything, it was founded on Masonic principles.

133 posted on 10/13/2009 5:04:31 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: rabscuttle385
Who cares how it "feels"!

We get enough of that touchy-feely crap from the commies running the country!

134 posted on 10/13/2009 5:35:29 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: gogogodzilla

Thank you libertarians for standing idly by while America’s moral fiber has literally been flushed down the toilet.

Lurching toward Sodom and Gomorrah
Date: 10/12/2009 9:29:54 AM

by Bryan Fischer, AFA Director of Issue Analysis

Judge Robert Bork wrote a book a number of years ago in which he described an America that was “slouching towards Gomorrah.” Well, you can forget the slouching part. We are now running pell-mell, headlong toward Gomorrah, racing into the moral abyss at breakneck speed.

We are no longer on some kind of slippery slope. The United States is going over a moral Niagara in a flimsy barrel.

Pres. Barack Obama last night told cheering throngs of homosexual activists that he is determined to change the law that declares that homosexuality is incompatible with military service. He also pledged to overturn the Defense of Marriage Act, the only thing that stands between civilization and darkness when it comes to the definition of marriage. If DOMA is repealed, it is a certainty that some federal court somewhere will compel all 50 states to perform homosexual weddings, regardless of what their own state constitutions say.

With the hate crimes bill virtually certain to be the law of the land by this time next week, and the Employment Non-Discrimination Act gathering steam, it is possible that all four major objectives of homosexualists will be accomplished in the United States by this time next year. The rewriting of America’s moral code on matters of sexuality will be complete.

Family law will be turned into something unrecognizable if DOMA is repealed, and the homosexual agenda will invade the military if DADT is repealed, and the homosexual agenda will invade the workplace if ENDA is passed.

The hate crimes law means that it will be a criminal offense to think politically incorrect thoughts about homosexual behavior, transgenderism, and a host of other sexually non-normative orientations. People who engage in normative sexual expression will now have less legal protection than cross-dressers, pedophiles, prostitutes and voyeurs.

Our schools, under the influence of Kevin Jennings, an avowed homosexual who sees nothing wrong with adult males preying on teenage boys, will become indoctrination centers in homosexual dogma.

Homosexuality will become the favored sexual orientation in our country in all segments of society, and perversion will be granted special protections in the military and the workplace that are denied to heterosexuals and people of faith. No disagreement will be allowed; in fact, it will be punishable by fines, incarceration or worse.

Dissent will no longer by the highest form of patriotism. It will instead by the quickest path to getting fired, sued or jailed. Welcome to fascist America.

If there was ever a time for conservatives to stand athwart history and yell “Stop!”, the time is now.


135 posted on 10/14/2009 7:16:31 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: gogogodzilla

From “The Party’s” platform:

3.4 Free Trade and Migration

We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a threat to security, health or property.

One of the many reasons I’m not a libertarian:

Why I am not a Libertarian
HarrisonBergeron2
Posted under Globalism & Immigration

Surprise! The pro-war (Waritarian?), pro-Open Borders Cato Institute endorses — Open Borders:

A new study from the libertarian CATO Institute concludes that legalizing the more than eight million undocumented workers in the United States would have significant economic benefits for the country, while simply enhancing border enforcement and applying restrictive immigration laws would actually hurt the U.S. economically.

Got that? ECONOMIC BENEFITS are all that matter. I’m sure they’re right when they say there’s money to be made in opening the borders to the Third World — Big Business is always hungry for more cheap, easily exploitable labor. American workers may suffer, but who cares? Libertarian ideologues don’t give a rip about them. To Libertarians, it all comes down to the Golden Rule, which they understand as, “Whatever makes me the most gold.” Here’s how one writer paraphrased this belief:

For the economist, all human beings are alike, not of course because they have some higher calling in common but because they all rationally pursued objectives that are equally irrational. Homo economicus is cold, rational, and utilitarian; he is gifted in calculating but empty of substance. Human beings are indistinguishable in their way of being; they can only be distinguished by their incomes, their levels of consumption or productivity. Here, everything that Peguy loves, all that he celebrates–good manners and morals, fine workmanship, beautiful language, simple joys, bonds of the flesh, the honor of the poor, the genius of Homer–none of this has any meaning. We are indeed in the world of equality by default.

Which is why leftist egalitarians and Big Business support Open Borders.

By the way, check out the Cato Institute’s sources:

The new report, written by Professor Peter B. Dixon and Research Fellow Maureen T. Rimmer at the Centre of Policy Studies at Monash University in Australia, relies on an economic model used by the U.S. Departments of Commerce, Agriculture, and Homeland Security, as well as International Trade Commission.

Well. No question about the objectivity of THAT data. If you can’t believe the departments of a globalist empire, who can you believe?


136 posted on 10/14/2009 7:29:37 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: aSeattleConservative

Why do you need the government to tell you how to be moral and just?

Are you such a savage, barely one step above an animal, that you need the big stick of government to *force* you to be moral?


137 posted on 10/14/2009 4:18:23 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: aSeattleConservative

And the flip side to that libertarian argument is the call to end the massive welfare state.

Just how many illegals would come to America without all the free bennies we give them?

The few that would still come are exactly the kind of hard-working, driven individuals that made America great in the first place. As opposed to all the freeloading moochers we’re getting now.


138 posted on 10/14/2009 4:21:18 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla

No habla English senor.


139 posted on 10/15/2009 1:59:48 PM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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To: rabscuttle385

Hungry, duuude. To be a Libertarian feels really hungry....


140 posted on 10/15/2009 2:01:55 PM PDT by r9etb
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