Ron Paul, Rudy Giuliani and Double Standards

TheAtlantic.com ^ | 13 Nov 2007 10:56 am | Andrew Sullivan

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

When I see you show up on the FR Donor list, I'll start taking your threats of purging people off an internet chat site seriously.

Consider yourselves as finally having provided the right sort of incentive, at precisely the right time.

You should feel proud, actually.

[KDD]

You wear blinders then.

On the one hand we have a few fringers, only one of which you show contributed 500 dollars to Paul and that Paul has no doubt never even heard of...that you use to try and smear him as a Nazi.

On the other hand you have Pat Robertson who was publicly embraced by Rudy and who has published screeds comdemmed by the Jewish community as blatant anti semitism on his part yet you close your eyes to that and continue your support for Rudy. Your credibility is now ziltch. You are shown as the shill you are. Shame on you.

[SJackson]

OK, someone named Roberta Baker wrote an article 12 years ago positing that some people might think Pat Robertson might be and anitsemite, but esentially concluding that he's not, whe characterizes him as an exclusionist Christian, presumably one who thinks non-Christians are going to hell, which is fine as long as it's not a political view. GWB thinks the same thing.

So what?

You think Pat Robertson and Rudy Giuliani are raving antisemites, that's fine, I really wouldn't waste time trying to convince people. If you want conversation, post a thread, the linked article would work.

And I've noted your refusal to comment on known purveyors of ideologies of hate. Not the first thread you've refused to address that issue.

[George W. Bush]

You've noted your condemnation of Giuliani and Robertson as antisemites

I was pointing out Rudy's embrace of Robertson whose antisemitic remarks and whose influece are a hundred times more widespread than those of the hate groups you mention which virtually no one even knows exists. Contrary to your paranoid fantasies about Nazi America where Black and Carto are some major political players, it is clear that Robertson routinely emits far more remarks that would be antisemitic in tone and would reach an audience of millions.

So what I am saying is that Rudy embraces an antisemite blatantly and then goes to scoop up the RJC blessing as well. Where's the consistency in this pile of Rudy manure anyway?

And the RJC does not oppose Ron Paul as an antisemite. They oppose his debating at their event because his numbers were too low in the polls and Ron Paul has said that all foreign countries, which includes Israel, needs to stop sucking the teats of the American government. Israel can be a welfare state if they like but they aren't entitled to live off the American taxpayer.

[KDD]

There have been in the past, Freepers who contribute money to the forum for every idiot account getting permanently banned.

When has Jim Robinson ever done what you accuse him of here.

[lormand]

I remember getting a response of "thanks" from the founder when I brought this subject up on a Freepathon thread.

I'm not sure what he meant by it, but I do have some money ready to help buy back a Conservative sanctuary where I go not to argue against enemy propaganda with other "members", but to be with like minded people.

[jmc813]

Consider yourselves as finally having provided the right sort of incentive, at precisely the right time. You should feel proud, actually.

I am. I've been a freeper a lot longer than you have and appreciate this forum. It's nice to convert a freeloader.

[jmc813]

I'm not sure what he meant by it, but I do have some money ready to help buy back a Conservative sanctuary where I go not to argue against enemy propaganda with other "members", but to be with like minded people.

Bro, we're both Thompson supporters. We disagree on a candidate that has no chance whatsoever of winning the nomination. Are we really that non-like minded?

[SJackson]

You're a liar. Ron Paul knows who these people are because his campaign has been informed of their support, reminded of his longstanding promotion as a columnist for Willis Carto, and has been asked to renounce their support.

Renounce their support, a simple thing, simply say their ideology stinks and I don't want their support. Like Ronald Reagan, or George Bush, or the Republican Party when these issues have come up.

But he hasn't, because he won't. The lie that he's ignorant no longer flies.

That you're sympathetic with that position is obvious.

BTW, instead of throwing the same Roberta Baker article at me a second time, why don't you post it as a thread. There are lots of people here who will have more knowledge of Pat Robertson's background than I do.

[lormand]

Don’t you think you should ping those you talk about in a post?

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

As stated: having the Paulestinian horde mucking and fouling everything they touch these past few months has finally served as the necessary spur. Just let Jim give the word. ;)

[SJackson]

I don't think Pat Robertson is an antisemite, I explained that several times.

You inbred hostility toward Republicans is noted, again.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

It’ll be even nicer to get some long overdue fumigating underway.

[KDD]

And I've noted your refusal to comment on known purveyors of ideologies of hate.

I will comment on any anti Jewish comments that you might claim Ron Paul has made and I submitted 900 speech's and writings of his to you to give you an opportunity to find any. Instead you continue to try and say Paul believes what the skinheads and neo-nazi's believe because one of them sent him 500 dollars. How lame is that?

And you so lightly dismiss the outright mutual support of team Rudy/anti semite Pat Robertson.

[darkwing104]

I think a great case can be made to purge this forum of members who support a candidate who echoes enemy propaganda.

I am hesitant to agree with you on this, if they continuously spam the site with this crap I can understand, once or twice is forgivable. We have to check ourselves so we don't become single minded intolerant boobs like them. If we do, then we would deserved to be banned like them.

I don't making fun of these clowns but I don't wish to get caught up in a mindless witch hunt.

It's not our call but Jim Rob's. Its his house.

[KDD]

I said everything I had to say to you in my last reply to you...I only hope you got to read it before the moderator deleted it.

[jmc813]

It’ll be even nicer to get some long overdue fumigating underway.

You do that, n00b. Knock yourself out.

[jmc813]

You inbred hostility toward Republicans is noted, again.

Here we go with the Rudy defending again.

[George W. Bush]

Apparently, Pat Robertson is the nice and acceptable kind of Christian who makes lots of antisemitic remarks.

I liked the part where Pat suggests that it would be a good idea to have a mini-nuke dropped on the State Department.

Good thing ol' Pat isn't some kind of extremist, conman, and false shepherd.

Funny how all these "Fred supporters" (as they claim to be) are so incensed to defend Giuliani, who they are supposed to want to defeat like all the rest of us.

[jmc813]

Funny how all these "Fred supporters" (as they claim to be) are so incensed to defend Giuliani, who they are supposed to want to defeat like all the rest of us.

I will say in all fairness that Kent seems to be legitimately anti-Rudy.