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Ron Paul, Rudy Giuliani and Double Standards
TheAtlantic.com ^ | 13 Nov 2007 10:56 am | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 11/14/2007 4:06:53 AM PST by George W. Bush

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To: jmc813
Deny, deny, deny....


141 posted on 11/14/2007 1:21:46 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: SJackson

I could care less about a couple of Nazi spammers kicked out of RP’s Meetups. As long as they’re not allowed back in.


142 posted on 11/14/2007 1:22:07 PM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: jmc813
You’re still missing the point, Rudy Boy. Ron Paul doesn’t have magical powers which give him the ability to get into other people’s web servers and delete references to himself. This thread is freaking retarded.

No, he doesn't have magical powers, but he doesn't need them. From another thread a few weeks ago. And no, Paul hasn't the courage for a statement like this.

He needs to take two minutes, suck it up, insult some of his supporters, and perhaps update Ronald Reagan's direct, unequivocal statements in the same situation. I'll help.

I have been distressed to learn that I have been receiving support from various hate groups and that my columns have appeared in their print publications. The latter will end immediately. I do not want such support and that I repudiate it and everything the Klan stands for have no tolerance for what these groups represent, and would have nothing to do with any groups of that type. The politics of racial hatred and religious bigotry have no place in this country, and are destructive of the values for which America has always stood. Those of us in public life can only resent the use of our names by those who seek political recognition for the repugnant doctrines of hate they espouse.

I firmly believe that there is no room for partisanship on this question. Democrats and Republicans alike must be resolute in disassociating ourselves from any group or individual whose political philosophy consists only of racial or religious intolerance, whose arguments are supported only by intimidation or threats of violence.

We must, and will, continue our unified rejection of such elements of hate in our political life, for while there are many issues which divide us, it is fundamental principles such as this which will always draw us together.

Adapted from Ronald Reagan in similar circumstances. I could have used Lee Atwater or Bush I or Bush II, but Reagan seems appropriate.

Mr. Nathaniel J. Friedman
August 23, 1980 Dear Mr. Friedman:

Just a line to thank you very much for your letter to the editor of the Los Angeles Times. It was kind and generous of you to do this, and I am most grateful.

It wasn’t until I left the South and was in New York that I learned the Klan had endorsed me. I immediately made it plain in a press conference that I do not want such an endorsement and that I repudiate it and everything the Klan stands for. I guess Mr. Young didn’t pay much attention to that.

Again, my heartfelt thanks.

Best regards,
Ron

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April 30, 1984

Dear Morris:

While in China, I have been distressed to learn that some individuals back home have questioned whether my views on the Ku Klux Klan have somehow changed since 1980. Nothing could be further from the truth.

In 1980, I said that I have no tolerance for what the Klan represents, and would have nothing to do with any groups of that type. If anything, my feelings on this subject have only grown stronger. The politics of racial hatred and religious bigotry practiced by the Klan and others have no place in this country, and are destructive of the values for which America has always stood. Those of us in public life can only resent the use of our names by those who seek political recognition for the repugnant doctrines of hate they espouse.

I firmly believe that there is no room for partisanship on this question. Democrats and Republicans alike must be resolute in disassociating ourselves from any group or individual whose political philosophy consists only of racial or religious intolerance, whose arguments are supported only by intimidation or threats of violence.

We must, and will, continue our unified rejection of such elements of hate in our political life, for while there are many issues which divide us, it is fundamental principles such as this which will always draw us together.

Sincerely,
Ronald Reagan

[The Honorable Morris B. Abram, U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, 1121 Vermont Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20425]


143 posted on 11/14/2007 1:22:30 PM PST by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: lormand; jellybean; Politicalmom
When the ZOTTINGS are mentioned, some stealth Paultards suddenly become Fred Thompson supporters.

So the dude who either is not supporting somebody is calling shenanigans on me (who is supporting someone)? Look at my posting history. I'm all about Fred. I'm pinging the keepers of the Thompsson ping list to hopefully vouch for me that I've been on the FR Thompson bus since long before he announced and bring their attention to Fred threads whenever I can.

Meanwhile, your complacency and laziness only contributes to the possibility of a Giuliani nomination.

When the ZOTTINGS are mentioned, some stealth Paultards suddenly become Fred Thompson supporters.

Non moderator n00bs who fantasize about Paul fans getting booted don't spook me in the least. I'm not afraid to admit that I like Ron Paul's positions on domestic issues, I've been a fan of his and posting his stuff to FR for years.

144 posted on 11/14/2007 1:32:43 PM PST by jmc813 (.) (.)
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To: jmc813
"I'm not afraid to admit that I like Ron Paul's positions on domestic issues..."

Again, more Paultard BS and diversionary tactics.

Can't you Paultards understand that it is his suicidal foreign policy which disqualifies him as desirable here, not his domestic policies.

Yes, I'm not an admin, but I'm more than an ace when it comes to helping zot interlopers, trolls, and other undesirables from this forum.

I can also smell bullshit from hyperspace, i.e., "I'm a Thompson Supporter".

145 posted on 11/14/2007 1:41:06 PM PST by lormand (Ron Paul - The Idiot's Idiot)
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To: lormand
Can't you Paultards understand that it is his suicidal foreign policy which disqualifies him as desirable here

I understand that perfectly. That's the whole reason he's not my choice of candidates in the primary.

Yes, I'm not an admin, but I'm more than an ace when it comes to helping zot interlopers, trolls, and other undesirables from this forum.

Well I'm none of the above. I've been freeping sonce '01, and with an exception of one night being drunk and telling nopardons to f&*# herself, I've never received as much as a time-out.

I can also smell bullshit from hyperspace, i.e., "I'm a Thompson Supporter".

Posts from the fake Thompson supporter

146 posted on 11/14/2007 1:54:41 PM PST by jmc813 (.) (.)
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To: lormand
I can also smell bullshit from hyperspace...

bullshit from hyperspace, I like that. Maybe Paul can use it like they did the Guy Fawkes money bomb. December 7 would be a good day, to commemorate the loss of our rights at the hands of FDR. I'm getting in to this Alex Jones stuff.

147 posted on 11/14/2007 1:57:11 PM PST by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: SJackson
Maybe Paul can use it like they did the Guy Fawkes money bomb. December 7 would be a good day, to commemorate the loss of our rights at the hands of FDR.

Kinda like how your boy Rudy milks 9/11 for all it's worth?

148 posted on 11/14/2007 1:59:38 PM PST by jmc813 (.) (.)
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To: jmc813
You must be scitzo. How can you defend that idiot Paul, and support Fred Thompson at the same time?

Something is not right here.

149 posted on 11/14/2007 2:03:51 PM PST by lormand (Ron Paul - The Idiot's Idiot)
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To: jmc813
"Kinda like how your boy Rudy milks 9/11 for all it's worth?"

....says a "Fred Thompson supporter"

150 posted on 11/14/2007 2:08:02 PM PST by lormand (Ron Paul - The Idiot's Idiot)
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To: lormand; George W. Bush; Extremely Extreme Extremist
You must be scitzo. How can you defend that idiot Paul, and support Fred Thompson at the same time?

Because I'm a libertarian and Thompson is the closest thing to a libertarian running whose foreign policy is acceptable to me. If Thompson wins the nomination, Paul fans will turn out for him due to his strong support for federalism.

I'm pretty sure GWB and Triple E are fans of Thompson too. The people who are most vocally anti-Paul are the liberal/moderate pro-Rudy douchebags like Michael Medved.

151 posted on 11/14/2007 2:13:17 PM PST by jmc813 (.) (.)
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To: SJackson
Yes, that is the latest greatest tactic to keep the spam up.

Don't mention foreign policy, and pretend you support someone else, but defend the crap out of the indefensible.

152 posted on 11/14/2007 2:14:30 PM PST by lormand (Ron Paul - The Idiot's Idiot)
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To: lormand

Anyhow, I need to take a break from pwning your face and get some dinner and get home. Will pick this up later.


153 posted on 11/14/2007 2:14:59 PM PST by jmc813 (.) (.)
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To: jmc813
"The people who are most vocally anti-Paul are the liberal/moderate pro-Rudy douchebags like Michael Medved."

Using your illogic, one would also conclude that the list would include, me, the anti-Paultard crew here on Freerepublic, and the Founder of this website, who has some really stinging things to say about your libertarian suicide king Ron Paul AND JulieAnnie.

It's obvious that the head bone is connected to the ass bone, because being anti-suicide, aka anti-Ron Paul IS NOT equal to pro-Rudy.

Why don't you defend libertarian domestic policy when it is justified. Defending Ron Paul on Freerepublic is counter productive to "libertarians" who have FR accounts.

154 posted on 11/14/2007 2:21:13 PM PST by lormand (Ron Paul - The Idiot's Idiot)
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To: jmc813
If Thompson wins the nomination, Paul fans will turn out for him due to his strong support for federalism.

Not only that. If in the primaries it looks like Paul can't stop Rudy and Fred can...most current Paul supporters will support any other candidate in the remaining big State primaries who can...Fred...even Romney. First priority for any conservative is to STOP RUDY.

155 posted on 11/14/2007 2:22:36 PM PST by KDD (A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse)
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To: jmc813

jmc813 bravely spews: "Anyhow, I need to take a break from pwning your face and get some dinner and get home. Will pick this up later."

Sure, you have one arm left, why not, I'll show you more pain.

156 posted on 11/14/2007 2:24:36 PM PST by lormand (Ron Paul - The Idiot's Idiot)
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To: lormand
You should know the Ron Paul rules by now.

All Ron Paul supporters are actually Thompson or Hunter supporters. They just feel bad that Paul is being beat up on.

Anyone opposed to Paul is a Giuliani supporter. Some of them, like Medved, are douchebags (this is a classy place). Or ignorant freepers, liberals, antisemites (I've been called that one), neocons, et al.

157 posted on 11/14/2007 2:27:02 PM PST by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: jmc813
I'm pretty sure GWB and Triple E are fans of Thompson too.

I can't speak for EEE but this is how I expect my vote to turn out.

My primary is a very late one in an all-Red state.
  1. If RP is a contender with any chance at the nomination, I vote for him. If he's already dropped out or has no chance, I won't vote for him. Chances are, he'll drop out if it's hopeless after SC or FL.
  2. If Rudi is out of the race, I pick either Fred or Mitt, whichever I like the most after the campaign season, the main objective being to beat Hitlery.
  3. If Rudi is still viable and might get the nomination, I vote for any candidate who looks like they can keep the nomination away from him, keeping in mind that I should vote for the one who can win my states' delegates and add to the anti-Rudi delegate count. Probably Mitt or Fred, I guess, but I'd vote for any of them except Rudi. Including McCain and Huckabee who I don't like much.
So, for all I post about Ron Paul, I'm not that likely to get to vote for him anyway.
158 posted on 11/14/2007 2:27:03 PM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: George W. Bush; jmc813
I don't care how you say you will vote. jmc813 pinged you guys cause he needs all the help he could get.
159 posted on 11/14/2007 2:32:20 PM PST by lormand (Ron Paul - The Idiot's Idiot)
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To: George W. Bush
So, for all I post about Ron Paul, I'm not that likely to get to vote for him anyway.

Remind me to be nice to you in the future...


160 posted on 11/14/2007 2:41:01 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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