Ron Paul, Rudy Giuliani and Double Standards

TheAtlantic.com ^ | 13 Nov 2007 10:56 am | Andrew Sullivan

[elhombrelibre]

I feel no great need to be civil with Run Paul and his storm front, Gay, dope-smoking supporters who are making a nuisance of themselves on this forum and helping tear down our country during a time of war.

[KDD]

One thing that unites social conservatives independents and libertarians on this site is total disdain for Rudy Guiliani. I find the most prolific anti Paul posters on these threads tend to claim they haven’t chosen a candidate yet...less then two months before the primaries begin...riight. Duncan Hunter supporters and Fredheads are not a bit shy about their support for their candidate.

Rudy supporters tiptoe through the innuendo.

[jmc813]

So this is how a "Fred Thompson supporter" spends his time on Freerepublic, by attempting to illustrate faulty logic by using faulty logic?

I'm very logical. It pisses people I'm debating with off when I pwn them logically, much like I'm doing with you.

[darkwing104]

They do love their dope.

The man? The weed? or both?

[jmc813]

I find the most prolific anti Paul posters on these threads tend to claim they haven’t chosen a candidate yet.

All the well-known liberal freepers of the past were very vocally anti-Paul too. Chief Jackson, Fat Luis, Poohbie, Cultural Jihad, Palpatine. I kinda miss those days. :-(

[elhombrelibre]

That’s a great idea. Rename weed “Run Paul, man.”

[SJackson]

Andrew Sullivan...When this guy is on your candidate's side, thinking people should be be seriously reconsider their support for Der Paul.

If you note the couple Paul threads on this topic today, virtually all the backup is from the far left.

It's fair to say that none of Paul's defenders have any credibility to attack Dems for any similar associations

[elhombrelibre]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_paul_campaign_and_its.html

[George W. Bush]

"one of Rep. Paul's top internet organizers in Tennessee is a neo-Nazi leader named Will Williams (aka ‘White Will'). Williams was the southern coordinator for William Pierce's National Alliance Party, the largest neo-Nazi party in the U.S."

If you only check the linked thread, you'll see he's been removed from Meetup. He's apparently been banned and his previous posts are listed as "a former member".

Then I broke my rule and went to look at the front page of St*rmfr*nt and there is no Ron Paul donation link. Then I looked in one of their forums just to check. Still no donation link. Looked on a thread that had "Ron Paul campaign" in its title (it was a Ron Paul supporter asking them to get away from the campaign and it looks like they booted him). Still no donation link.

I haven't slogged through the rest of your material yet but I expect much the same for these other accusations.

I think you already know how much of this material that you posted is completely bogus. This is just a FUD tactic (fear, uncertainty, doubt).

Naturally, you rely on something that merely looks comprehensive, hoping that no one will go check on such repugnant sites. The tactic is to try to bury someone in such accusations so that they spend all their time responding to just those, to try to make it the constant subject of discussion to poison the targeted candidate.

I don't think it will work though. The lamestream media has investigated repeatedly and rejected accusations that Ron Paul is antisemitic or trolling for antisemitic support. National Review and major papers have found no indication that he welcomes or tries to cultivate such support.

So you have the paper in Texas, Medved, and some nobody bloggers, flinging accusations and trying to get some attention.

I may check and debunk some of the other material you posted but it's unlikely to be worth the effort as you have been discredited on these accusations so many times already.

[KDD]

American Thinker is a pro Rudy site.

http://www.americanthinker.com/search/index.php?query=Rudy%20Giuliani&page=1

[elhombrelibre]

Well, better to be supported by a pro-Rudy site than all of the pro-Nazi ones backing Run Paul. See www.outlawjournalism.com, for instance.

[lormand]

"It pisses people I'm debating with off when I pwn them logically, much like I'm doing with you."

Those are the words of someone stuck in a comic book world, and not reality.

Don't confuse stupid with logic. Ron Paul echoes enemy propaganda. Your abortion analogy lacks common sense, let alone logic.

[darkwing104]

If you only check the linked thread, you'll see he's been removed from Meetup. He's apparently been banned and his previous posts are listed as "a former member".

That doesn't mean he isn't still a supporter.

I am waiting for your dear leader to publicly denounces them and return the money...Don't give me some 2nd rate blog site..

[George W. Bush]

There is no doubt one or more Ron Paul threads at St*rmfr*nt. I know because you guys keep posting links to them.

But there is no direct fundraising banner on the front page of that site which is the impression that the article gives.

I don't intend to waste any more time on such a nasty site. I am shocked you would post anything from there over here.

[jmc813]

You’re still missing the point, Rudy Boy. Ron Paul doesn’t have magical powers which give him the ability to get into other people’s web servers and delete references to himself. This thread is freaking retarded.

[George W. Bush]

That doesn't mean he isn't still a supporter.

Are you suggesting that RP's campaign spend all their time chasing these people around?

FWIW, I think Black and any other known leaders should have their checks returned or maybe donated to charity instead which has been suggested by some. Certainly, we don't need their tiny dribble of money.

[darkwing104]

You failed...Don't waste anymore of our time.

[SJackson]

You lied about Stormfront, so I decided to check on Will "Burn the Jews" Williams, Ron Paul supporter.

You were right, his meetup account has been canceled, he's not welcome.

But it looks like he was banned by the meetup administration, from all meetup forums, good judgement, not the Paul campaign or the local Paul meetup.

And as you'd expect, the Paul folk are very, very unhappy. They learned a lot from Will.

Question to all- Why was Will Williams banned from Meetup.com

Petition to restore forum privs for Will Williams

It's a shame, aside from advocating the murder of Jews he was a good spammer. I can understand why the campaign can't separate from support like that.

White Will

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Youtube tip from Ron Paul guerrilla "gamer"

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Technicians can advise on the viability of these methods. VNNers should know this information, nevertheless. A concerted effort by a few who have time for this, focused on a particular WN Youtube video can move it into view by thousands. It just takes a little organization. Everybody here can do this, except bjb w/his niggerberry.

Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:20:38 -0000
Subject: [RonPaulGraphics] The gaming Youtube event to support the November 5th event

This is a shout out to organizers of ron paul groups nationwide.
Please pass this on to all your members and volunteers.
I have noticed various discussions about the possiblity of "guerilla
marketing" campaigns involving dropping info or money from airplanes,
getting airplanes to pull banners, buying billboard space,
advertising on buses or park benches and other schemes and publicity
stunts. We all seem to be aware that time is SHORT and the need for
publicity is HUGE.
With the primaries quickly approaching, a plot to contribute over
ten million dollars in a single day has gained some interest. If you
visit the website http://thisnovember5th.com
you can see that thousands have already committed to taking part in
this historic even on November 5th.
As of today 5000 people have signed up to participate. But we need
abut 95000 more Ron Paul supporters to sign up. I have created a
video on youtube to rally more support for the November 5th plan. If
only a few hundred people watch it however it will not have much of
an impact.
So this letter is to offer you and your volunteers an opportunity to
help get this message heard by hundreds of thousands of people who
may support Ron Paul but have not yet joined any meetups or online
networks, and who therefore may not know about the November the 5th
campaign. It will work and it is FREE. ABSOLUTELY FREE. The cost is
ZERO.
Here's how it works.
Many people decide what videos they will watch on youtube by looking
at what other people have watched today. When you click on
the "videos" tab on Youtube it shows you the "most viewed videos" of
the day. Just being on the front page of that list is enough to
generate around 100,000 views in a single day.Did you know that the "view count" on any video does not take the IP
addresses into account. That means that if you at your home computers
watch the same video 5 times, it adds 5 views to the view count. What
Youtube did to prevent exploitiation of this by people...well...by
people like us...is to make it so it doesn't change the view count if
you don't watch the whole video. So people who have tried to "game
youtube" by refreshing the same video over and over have found that
it doesn't work, but this is only because they didn't allow the
entire video to play through and complete. Others, who realized that
this was how it works, have posted 4 second long clips so that they
could let the whole video play and refresh it enough times in a
single day to get to the top of the most viewed list. Youtube doesn't
take long to notice that such a short video has 80,000 view from just
one or two IP adresses and they pull the video.
What if you had thousands of different IP adresses replaying a video
which had a running time so long nobody would ever imagine it was
being "gamed?" It would be possible to "prime the pump" and generate
a hundred thousand actual views to your gamed video.
Is "gaming youtube" illegal? No, it is not hacking. You aren't
manipulating any code or anything remotely like that. All you would
be doing is excercising your right to watch your favorite video over
and over, the same way a child watches his favorite dvd over and
over. That's it. It just so happens that if a large group of people
conspired to do this on the same video they would weild enormous free
publicity power because it would put their favorite video on the
first "most viewed" page on Youtube.
Will this give Ron Paul supporters a bad reputation if we get caught?
I would certainly give publicity to whatever we are trying to get
noticed, which is a good thing. Call me crazy but aren't corporate
media reporters far and wide claiming that we are using bots and
hacking every poll anyway? Really, what do we have to lose? It's not
like the NWO played fair when they established the 16th amendment by
fraud or when they established the 17th amendment to make sure we
can't recall senators who sell out to monied interests. [or the 13th and
14th Amendments that made farm implements equal to humans. -Ed]We
have been under unfair attack for a long long time.
If you go a step further and install the "auto-refresh" plug-in for
internet explorer 7 available at:
http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/de...o&itemid=19736
then you don't have to keep manually starting your favorite video
over and over to watch it again and again. I would just keep playing
over and over automatically. This is how those "gaming youtube" in
the past got 80000 views on their 4 second video from just one or two
computers.
So if we Ron Paul supporters do this, what video should we make
our "favorite?"

YouTube - Remember the 5th of November Ron Paul...

copy and paste this address
into your browser addres bar.
I am asking you to start with the one I just made to promote the
November 5th event. What is most needed at this point just before the
primaries is that we endow the Ron Paul campaign with the ability to
purchase millions of dollars in mainstream advertising in early
primary states. This is how the average joe becomes familiar with
whichever candidate he chooses on primary day.
So if you want to help please play this video over and over ALL THE
WAY THROUGH to get it on the most viewed list.
IMPORTANT: when you start doing this it will not appear to be having
any effect. This is because Youtube does not UPDATE the number of
views on a video for several hours. Rest assured though, as long as
you are not playing only part of the video and you DO let it finish,
it will count as a view and will show up in the view count within
hours.
Here is the first video I suggest we focus on in the "gaming Youtube"
event. Let's make November 5th a BIG BIG day for the Ron Paul
campaign.

YouTube - Remember the 5th of November Ron Paul...

NOTE: this is a grass roots event and is in no way associated with
the official campaign of Ron Paul.

Here, again, to pledge for the Nov. 5th spike: http://thisnovember5th.com

 

[lormand]

"This thread is freaking retarded."

...say a so called Fred Thompson supporter

You remind me back in the late 70's we had some middle eastern guys working the 7/11 near our home. When Iran took our hostages, we asked them which country they were from, and of course, none were from Iran.

When the Lebenon and Libya became issues, of course, none of them were from those countries either.

When the ZOTTINGS are mentioned, some stealth Paultards suddenly become Fred Thompson supporters.