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The Ron Paul Movement
reason ^ | July 16, 2007 | Jesse Walker

Posted on 07/16/2007 8:31:51 PM PDT by JTN

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To: WhiteGuy
How can the party operatives successfully attract the Ron Paul supporters?

They won't. They'll do what they've always done: First they'll mock the Paul supporters ("Ha, you're candidate is .001% in the polls!), then they'll demand that they vote for their RINOs ("If you don't vote Republican, you'll get the mean-old Democrat. Oooga-Boooga!"), and when they don't they'll piss and moan because they voted 3rd party or stayed home ("Waaa-waaa, you losertarians stayed home").

101 posted on 07/17/2007 9:43:46 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: JTN
When he returned to the GOP and to Congress in the election of '96, the national party establishment threw its weight behind his opponent in the primaries, an incumbent who had originally been elected as a Democrat.

There's the problem right there. Too many DEMOCRATS stinking up the GOP. Oust them and maybe having a real conservative in the fold wouldn't seem such an oddity.

102 posted on 07/17/2007 9:45:52 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: SoldierDad
Some of us have retained our sanity, SD. Others have obviously succumbed, ie, have been reduced to defending Saddam and Sons.
103 posted on 07/17/2007 9:48:57 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: God luvs America
of course the more you feebly try to make believe ron paul is the next coming of Ronald Reagan the more ridiculous the ron paul cultists look...

Gimme a break. Nobody's comparing Paul to Reagan, and we honestly believe that he probably won't win the nomination. We're just glad he's in the race talking about the real issues, you know the stuff Republicans are supposed to be advocating for instead of being Democrat-lite. BTW, Paul was an early supporter of Reagan, and he led the Texas delegation in 1976 for him. But that doesn't matter to you Paul bashers.

104 posted on 07/17/2007 9:48:59 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Allegra; Petronski
And to Paul's acolytes - do you people really think Iran is not a threat to U.S. interests? That we should just let Iran be?

In the world that the RPbots live in if the U.S. would just pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as the whole of the middle east, then we would have "peace" from our enemies. There's no understanding of what giving over control of the oil rich middle east region to these terrorist would mean for the rest of the world. No understanding of what our enemies would do with the billions they would generate in oil revenues and use to further their Islamo-facist jihad agenda. Ignorance would turn out to not be bliss I'm afraid.

105 posted on 07/17/2007 9:49:48 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: roses of sharon

Very very sad.


106 posted on 07/17/2007 9:55:29 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: SoldierDad
And in 18 months, we’ll be neck deep in the middle of another Constitutionally illegal, undeclared war we can not win and should not be fighting in Iran.

Good grief....did that person really say that?? That person is on my Ignore List now so I don't read his ramblings, but that remark is definitely more fitting for DU or Daily KOS.

Maybe that's Harry Reid's FR handle?

107 posted on 07/17/2007 10:03:13 AM PDT by Allegra (Carbon offsets for sale. Inquire within.)
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To: Allegra

And to Paul’s acolytes - do you people really think Iran is not a threat to U.S. interests? That we should just let Iran be?

The problem is that we won’t do it all the way. We’ll half ass it like we did in Iraq. If we could have just let the military do it’s job and canned Bremmer alot sooner we’d have already moved on to Iran, that was the plan all the time but political self interest skewed commitment and now we’re stuck in Iraq.

If we weren’t willing to kill Al Sadr in Iraq, what the heck do you think we’ll do in Iran. Lob some MOABs? Then what will we do when they push out the doctored photos of innocent deaths for the AP to eagerly put on the Front page of every news rag in the world? Stop, find a scapegoat and leave our guys in limbo while the politicians decide who to put on trial in front of Congress and how to spin this to squeeze out more campaign money.

I’d love for us to go into Iran, constitutionally declare war and utterly defeat them, hook up with those inside who want to topple the regime, help those who want to assasinate the Mullahs and hand things over to a secular representative government. We won’t do that though, our politicians are far too concerned about the next election.

So you need to get over it and start looking at how your liberty is being stolen by our Wars On Anything (to get votes, money and federal authority) and make sure that if the Islamofascists come here there’s a Constitutional Republic to defend, or will we be just be defending our “right” to watch porn and american idol and vote for our favorite contestant on Big Brother 28?


108 posted on 07/17/2007 10:04:31 AM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: SoldierDad

The point is *Constitutionally* illegal, SoldierDad. And what does Afghanistan have to do with Iraq? Or Iran?


109 posted on 07/17/2007 10:11:00 AM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

They won’t.

Agreed


110 posted on 07/17/2007 10:12:15 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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To: t_skoz

Common sense flying out the window yet again.


111 posted on 07/17/2007 10:14:53 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: Allegra

Snookums? Honeybunch? Seek help. How can I be stalking you, when you are the one who hates Ron Paul yet posts on every single Ron Paul thread? There’s no games or manipulation, only your sick mental projections.


112 posted on 07/17/2007 10:18:45 AM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: SoldierDad

Why do you refuse to have an honest debate with me?

What does Iraq have to do with Afghanistan?

I’ve been wrong before and admitted it. I’m honestly just trying to understand. There was a time where FR was all about reasoned, rational debate between several parties with different opinions who managed to have a civil discourse. Now it’s just a flame war and I’m trying to avoid that.


113 posted on 07/17/2007 10:21:24 AM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: TheKidster
So you need to get over it and start looking at how your liberty is being stolen by our Wars On Anything...

You almost had me...I almost thought I had gotten a polite person to have a discussion with and then you had to go and act tough and arrogant. (Sigh...)

I'll tell you what I tell everyone who does that. Come over here and say that to me personally and perhaps I'll give you a listen. ;-)

Ciao!

114 posted on 07/17/2007 10:22:56 AM PDT by Allegra (Carbon offsets for sale. Inquire within.)
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To: Allegra; t_skoz
That, and much more. Below is the post he responded with:

The point is *Constitutionally* illegal, SoldierDad. And what does Afghanistan have to do with Iraq? Or Iran?

He asks questions where he discusses Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran, and then asks me what they each have to do with the other. I think ignoring any further inane posts from him is prudent.

115 posted on 07/17/2007 10:22:57 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: SoldierDad
I think ignoring any further inane posts from him is prudent.

Yes, it's the best course. He questioned my integrity in a very nasty assumption the other day and it was unprovoked. It showed more about his character than he realizes.

I think the DU-like ones among us are best ignored.

116 posted on 07/17/2007 10:25:57 AM PDT by Allegra (Carbon offsets for sale. Inquire within.)
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To: Allegra

wah, you didn’t ping me before talking about me, wah, wah, wah.


117 posted on 07/17/2007 10:38:15 AM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: t_skoz; Allegra
Why is it that some in this country cannot get a grasp on the fact that Al Qaeda is not singly based in one country? Tell me, who were the Rangers fighting in Somalia in '93? Who was responsible for the first WTC bombing? Who blew up two of our embassies in Africa? Who blew a hole in the U.S.S. Cole? Who was responsible for the Kobar Tower bombing? Who was responsible for the bombings in England? What does Iraq have to do with Afghanistan, have to do with Iran, have to do with Africa, have to do with Great Britain, have to do with America, have to do with the Phillipines, have to do with Pakistan, have to do with anywhere else on the face of the Earth where these evil slimes are planning, plotting, and carrying out attacks against innocent people?

We're in a war, and the war encompasses the entire planet and not just one particular country or region. If people don't get a grasp on this fact then our nation will not long endure. We're not fighting just people in Afghanistan, just people in Iraq, just people in _________ (fill in the blank). We, in this country, have failed to teach history to the detriment of this era. Three times in history since Islam arose have there been wars which lasted 100 years+ where the muslims have attempted to control other countries only to be defeated. This is just another attempt at world domination, and the enemy is now everywhere. How's that for a reasoned response?

118 posted on 07/17/2007 10:42:24 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: byteback
"No. Ron Paul stated in the debated that we deserved 9/11 so therefore isn't sane enough to be CINC."

No he didn't. He was just taking issue with "sound byte" political theory. You know, the short sentences of one and two syllable words that present an over simple view of reality but "make sense" to people who are incapable of thinking abstractly.
119 posted on 07/17/2007 10:43:53 AM PDT by ndt
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To: Allegra

I’m sorry if it sounded rude, I didn’t mean it to be. I was trying to convey the seriousness of what is happening. Emotion is easily inserted or implied in emails and posts. If I almost had you don’t let your sensitivity to percieved insults get in the way. If it makes sense, then it makes sense whether I’m a bombastic ass or a meek pleader or anything in between.
There is not really a fluffy way of saying what I did, we do need to get over our myopic focus on the middle east, ALL OF US or we won’t have anything left here worth defending besides our leisures. Even The LORD Jesus Himself had to say hard things and in a hard way to get the people’s attention. Those interested in truth heard the message, the rest just took these things as personal insults. I know you’re better than that.


120 posted on 07/17/2007 10:44:19 AM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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