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Fred Thompson: Pro-Choice Republican
Libertarian Republican ^ | April 7, 2007 | Eric Dondero

Posted on 04/11/2007 11:11:59 PM PDT by FairOpinion

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To: garv

He is using the same term President Bush uses.


141 posted on 04/12/2007 7:47:50 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (If you think the world's dangerous, and you need a tough guy... that's me [Rudy] --Newt Gingrich)
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To: Victoria Delsoul; garv
This has been a pet peeve of mine for a long time. I see it on FR a lot - a lot of bluster about ‘strict constructionists’ even though that it isn’t a realistic approach to interpreting the USC in the modern era.

Conservatives misuse the term all the time. Dubya uses it wrong consistently, most senators on both sides of the aisle use it wrong, and so does Rudy, and so do most of the candidates (I think all of them), and most of their interviewers (have never seen one make the distinction). I have seen Scalia make the distinction, and of course I encountered it in Law School.

I always watch it when Scalia is on CSPAN (usually Saturdays courts hour on CSPAN2), and I know the session you mention. He was very clear that his approach is originalism, and it’s clear from the usage of ‘strict constructionism’ on the part of most conservatives (and almost exclusively on FR) that they mean ‘constitutional orgininalist.’

And another problem I see on FR is the fairly simplistic approach that someone needs to personally be pro life in order to be against the Roe decision. It really doesn’t mean that someone will necessarily vote one way or another on Roe. A pro abortion person or a pro lifer can feel Roe was wrongly decided.

Rudy has been unambiguous that he would appoint judges in the Roberts-Alito mold. Frankly that’s the best pro lifers can hope for now, and it’s good enough for me. And it doesn’t matter much if Roberts or Alito are personally pro life, either.

142 posted on 04/12/2007 7:57:18 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HitmanLV
Wow! Great post, Hit, thanks.

Nighty night.

143 posted on 04/12/2007 7:59:42 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (If you think the world's dangerous, and you need a tough guy... that's me [Rudy] --Newt Gingrich)
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To: FairOpinion

And then, once elected, Fred Thompson went on to achieve a good, conservative record in the Senate. Not the most conservative record, but pretty darned good. So, I don’t know what your point is with posting this crap.


144 posted on 04/12/2007 8:00:38 PM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Here is your link. You can read the entire interview there if you would like. I suspect you won't because you have already made up your mind.

The problem with Rudy is very simple, Congress will use whatever his position on abortion, guns, gays, and judges to produce some of the worst Draconian legislation possible, especially if the Dims are in control. And you know what? Rudy will most likely sign it as 'good for the nation', something along the lines of his support for gun control in NYC.

We produce Rudy's PUBLIC record on what he has done as a matter of reference. Not just what some other talking head THINKS. That is what you Rudybots do. Produce opinions of others while ignoring the factual basis for our concerns about Rudy or the reality of voting records for Thompson. Rudy is a liberal, don't kid yourself that just because he will be tough on terror, as ALL the GOP candidates are, that it is the only reason we need him. It's not, there are more far-reaching pitfalls if he gets the nomination.

145 posted on 04/12/2007 8:00:59 PM PDT by Pistolshot (Thompson '08)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Thanks, g’nite and God bless!


146 posted on 04/12/2007 8:03:24 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: Spiff

The point is that some people hold up FT as a conservative icon, even better than Reagan — ignoring all facts and reality about him. And the two main things they point to is that he is against abortion, which he isn’t and his position on gays, which is identical to that of Giuliani.

These same people are applying a double standard, bashing RG for the same thing they ignore in FT.


147 posted on 04/12/2007 8:05:13 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: FairOpinion
The point is that some people hold up FT as a conservative icon, even better than Reagan — ignoring all facts and reality about him. And the two main things they point to is that he is against abortion, which he isn’t and his position on gays, which is identical to that of Giuliani. These same people are applying a double standard, bashing RG for the same thing they ignore in FT.

He's not the perfect conservative. So what? No one says that he is. But your efforts here to help your damned liberal candidate by hurting a decent conservative are just plain wrong. Yes, there are more conservative candidates, but maybe we need a candidate that is just conservative enough to hold the party together and also win the election. Your candidate is a damned liberal who will lose the general election and destroy the party and the conservative movement in the process. I'll take just conservative enough long before I will ever take the crap that you're pushing.

And your lies that his position of gays and abortion is "identical" to Giuliani's is a bald-faced and moronic lie. Lying about conservatives and conservative candidates is NOT an activity that should be tolerated on this conservative forum. Cut the crap.

148 posted on 04/12/2007 8:10:36 PM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: nickcarraway; FairOpinion
Well, I’ve said what I’ve got to say about Rudy and Liberals. He isn’t worth saying more about, because once the Republican primary heats up, he’s...


149 posted on 04/12/2007 8:12:52 PM PDT by Barnacle (Hunter, Thompson, Gingrich, whoever. Just vote Conservative!)
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150 posted on 04/12/2007 8:13:23 PM PDT by Doofer
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To: HitmanLV
Rudy has been unambiguous that he would appoint judges in the Roberts-Alito mold. Frankly that’s the best pro lifers can hope for now, and it’s good enough for me. And it doesn’t matter much if Roberts or Alito are personally pro life, either.

His promise to appoint judges in the Roberts-Alito mode is nothing more than a sop to pro-lifers and conservatives in general. Rudy is neither personally pro-life nor against the Roe decision. He has rcently stated that a "stict constructionist", whether he understands or uses the term correctly, could uphold Roe. He thinks that the types of judges he woulsd appoint could uphold Roe. It doesn't get more unambiguous than that.

151 posted on 04/12/2007 8:16:08 PM PDT by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: Spiff

All I posted were FACTS about FT — if you don’t like them, examine your support of him, don’t shoot the messenger, which is what you are doing.


152 posted on 04/12/2007 8:22:38 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: All; FairOpinion; cpforlife.org

Duncan Hunter/Fred Thompson 2008!

BOTH PRO-LIFE!

Duncan Hunter even spoke at the pro-life march in D.C.


153 posted on 04/12/2007 9:05:04 PM PDT by Sun (Vote for Duncan Hunter in the primaries. See you there.)
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To: FairOpinion
And all we're asking you to do is look at the FACT of his voting record, something which you steadfastly refuse to address. Oh, other than saying it's irrelevant next to your opinion about a 13 year old quote.

Here a FACT. 100% pro life voting record. Deal with it.

154 posted on 04/12/2007 9:06:28 PM PDT by Jotmo (I Had a Bad Experience With the CIA and Now I'm Gonna Show You My Feminine Side - Swirling Eddies)
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To: FairOpinion

We’ve seen way too many of your dishonest, incomplete “facts”.


155 posted on 04/12/2007 9:19:01 PM PDT by Politicalmom (I'm confused. The GOP doesn't need social conservatives, but socons made them lose in 2004.)
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To: Politicalmom

Prove a single one of them wrong.


156 posted on 04/12/2007 9:31:47 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: Politicalmom

So how come Fred Thompson didn’t come out and disavow it?

The interview and election is on record.


157 posted on 04/12/2007 9:32:36 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: FairOpinion

You excerpted TWO lines from an interview and then LIED about what he actually said. It is blatantly dishonest.


158 posted on 04/12/2007 9:35:00 PM PDT by Politicalmom (I'm confused. The GOP doesn't need social conservatives, but socons made them lose in 2004.)
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To: Politicalmom
I excerpted the article, the full quote was in the article and it was even more clear and revealing:

Murphey: Some conservatives got flustered by your comments on abortion and Roe vs. Wade. Would you like to explain your position on abortion?

Thompson: Government should stay out of it. No public financing. The ultimate decision must be made by the women. Government should treat its citizens as adults capable of making moral decisions on their own.

159 posted on 04/12/2007 9:39:56 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: FairOpinion

That isn’t the one I was talking about. I was talking about the Wallace interview. Thompson wasn’t “waffling” he was questioning whether it was really a lightning round or not.

Then there’s the matter of the thread you posted insinuating that Thompson’s church had mormon roots. It was completely false, and you refused to retract it, so it had to be removed.

And don’t claim that didn’t happen. Lots of us know EXACTLY what happened.


160 posted on 04/12/2007 10:02:56 PM PDT by Politicalmom (I'm confused. The GOP doesn't need social conservatives, but socons made them lose in 2004.)
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