Posted on 09/20/2005 10:26:43 AM PDT by NYer
Put some ice on it
Wow, so not only do you claim the authority of the pope, but now you think you can read my mind oh Great Carnac. Amazing.
Can the SSPX or its adherents produce evidence of the inclusion of the names of Archbishop Lefebvre, Bishops Fellay, Williamson, de Galarreta, de Mallerais or Rangel 1 in the Annuario Pontificio? Or, can they produce any evidence, that in writing to the Episcopate, the Popes included or intended to include the above- named SSPX bishops among the bishops in communion with him?
* Well? Sister, why don't you and gerard p. and y'all have a little pow wow in angequeen and ONCE, just ONCE, come up with something other than reflexive gainsaying of the Magisterium to prove your point y'all ain't schismatics and heretics as Card Hoyos designates.
Failing that, we will continue to publicly reveal the anchor of ignorance, perfidy, and antisemtiism which is drowning the sspx in the schismatic seas outside the Barque of Peter
Like a true liberal you blame your problems on others. Look, nobody is forcing you to defend the schism. It is all your own doing. At your particular judgement you can't say "It wasn't my fault. Nobody told me marcel was insane; nobody warned me about the schism; nobody told me the facts"
. If you have ever responded indicating agreement with the facts about M.M. that I have posted please post a link. If not, one need not be affflatic to recognize the action and the negative response it automatically draws.
*If you walk in the ways of schism like luther, if you talk in the ways of schism like luther, if you apeal to "necessity" or "conscience" like luther, why complain when one labels you a protestant like Luther?
If you walk like a duck, and talk like a duck, how can you reasonably claim one is judging your mind and you might not really be a duck?
It is all about your words and actions.
You's a duck, sister. But whereas luther was just ducky being honest in saying he stood outside the church, y'all are craven ducks. Y'all bleat y'all are sheep. You ain't pulling the wool of lies over my eyes, sister duck
Y'all sound just like luther; from the the defense of your schismatic actions to the rationalizations for them. For you, like luther, the church is wrong and you are right.
This conciliar church is a schismatic church because it breaks with the Catholic Church of the centuries ..." "This conciliar church is schismatic because it has taken as the basis for its updating principles opposed to those of the Catholic Church."... "The church which affirms errors like these is both schismatic and heretical. This conciliar church is thus not Catholic."
*Maybe someone from angelqueen can post a photo of Green Acres County Extension Agent Hank Kimball. (Tha's about their only response to facts)This exhibits the same sort of "quality of rational" thought about the Church established by Jesus as Hank Kimball exhibited when speaking about Agricukture.
In fact, one could say ...
The SSPX is to Catholicism what Green Acres was to Agriculture.
Williamson
A: It certainly did. Of the 400 priests he ordained in and for the Society, some 100 had defected before he died,
*Ah.....y'all say the sspx preserves Tradition and offers stability, huh ? LOL
*LOL The man is certifiable
Answer: WRONG!!! Quo Primum is the Law that placed the Tridentine rite as the universal rite of the Latin Church, and Quo Primum was derogated by Missale Romanum of Paul VI. The Tridentine rite was not derogated but the LAW Quo Primum was. One Law of a legislator replaces the former Law of the former legislator.
* One doesn't know whether or not fellay is insane or ignorant; or both. Either way, the sspx is headed by the theological equivalent of Hank Kimball
--- Michael Davies
“I have been greatly saddened during the past five years to note the emergence of what I term neo-Protestants. These are men who claim to be serving the Faith, but who, to all intents and purposes, have become Protestants. The essence of Protestantism is that each Protestant is his own pope. He refuses to submit to the Magisterium, the teaching authority, of the Church founded by Our Lord, but makes his personal opinion the ultimate authority of what he will or will not believe.
*Y'all know Davies was Marcel's biggest defender...so, even Davies "got it" finally; there's hope for y'all too
Okay pantsless. Now point out the doctrinal falsity in the statements of both Luther and LeFebvfre. Particularly LeFebvre since we know that Luther was a heretic.
Otherwise you are once again blunderously making a guilt by association ploy that any two year old would be able to see. "Jesus was crucified next to two criminals. He must have done something wrong." Spare me little boy.
I predict you won't do it, because, 1) you don't have the guts to face the truth and 2) you don't have what it takes mentally to even attempt it. And 3)Lies are so much easier for you to spread, I'm sure you will continue on this path till you go over the deep end.
Maybe you jokesters at angelqueen post #171
Aha. That's why all of this animosity of yours has intensified. You lurk at AQ, but (perhaps because of the fear of being on an even playing field) you don't post your "arguments" (applying the loosest meaning of the word possible) over there. You must get all worked up by reading Traditional Catholics being able to hold discussions free from censorship that you lose your self control and explode with venom here. It must be difficult to live with such internal frustration and anger. I will continue to keep you in my prayers. I even remembered you at mass today.
sempertrad - you called it.
"1. Concerning the Ordo Missæ: a) A Catholic cannot cast doubt on the conformity with the doctrine of the faith of a sacramental rite promulgated by the Supreme Pastor; b) ... c) ...
"2. Your general declarations (on the authority of the 2nd Vatican Council and of Pope Paul VI) combine together into a praxis which leads to the question: are we not confronted by a schismatic movement? In fact, you ordain priests against the formal will of the Pope and without the "litterae dimissoriae" required by Canon Law - and you have continued after your suspension a divinis - you send these priests into priories where they exercise their ministry without the authorisation of the ordinary in place; you give addresses calculated to spread your ideas in dioceses in which the bishop refuses you his consent; with priests whom you have ordained, you are beginning, whether you wish to or not, to form a group calculated to become a dissident ecclesial community.
"3. You consider that the priests ordained by you have the jurisdiction provided for by Canon Law in cases of necessity. Is this not to argue as though the legitimate Hierarchy had ceased to exist?
"4. The Pope has the "potestas suprema iurisdictionis" "non solum in rebus quae ad fidem et mores sed etiam in iis quae ad disciplinam et regimen Ecclesiae per totum orbem diffusae pertinent" (Conc. Vat. I, Const. Pastor Aeternus, DS 3064)(30), thus the obedience which is due to him is not limited to doctrinal matters.
"5. By your statements on submission to the Council and to the post-conciliar reforms of Paul VI - statements in conformity with a whole pattern of behaviour and particularly illicit ordinations to the priesthood - you have fallen into grave disobedience which in strict logic leads to schism."
* Murphe, gerard, keep it up :)
Y'all give me excellent oppportunities to reveal the facts of the schism and how it is utterly opposed to Tradition.
I know y'all think you are doing a "good job" defending a schism and so this makes my task all the more serious and serious matters are fun :)
Are you curious? You seem to have a vast knowledge of Church history and documents. It would seem strange that you would be comfortable with a blind spot like this. If you suppose that there have been some, could you suppose that LeFebvre was correct in his resistance based on precedents as well as Catholic doctrine?
You're really annoying. Please stop pinging me.
I referenced it because gerard p. posted here he was leaving Free Republic because he liked angelqueen better
AS I recall, gerard was suspended from FR and encouraged to stay over there.
Just for fun, let's ping your hero :)
I am sure he can confirm he was suspended in here and encouraged to post in angelqueen where, as he told us in FR before being suspended, all the other schizies banned in F R now post at angelqueen.
The fact so many of the schizzies banned here post there is of no concern to me. I am happy they are gone from the Church and from Free Republic.
How many members do they have, 9? How many members who are schizzies hate Bush and America because we are not a Monarchy? How many hate Democracy because your boy Bishop Williamson does? How many of y'all wear Nazi uniforms like sspx priest Fr. Angles (that is name?) How many schizzies in angelqueen hate Israel?
I also ref. The angelus, the sspx, cfn, the remnant ect, but that doesn't mean I am a member or lurk in those places either..
LOL You continually "outsmart" yourself, MurphE which is why this is so much fun.
Angelqueen is a vipers pit of hate, antisemitism, lunacy, schism and what not. One reasson I know is because another FR member freepmails me some of their more insane antisemitic posts and we LOL at how crazy and hateful the poster is. But, I doubt you can even imagine how insane others think angelqueen is, can you? Y'all are welcome to it. It is where you belong. And it is revealing you think such a place is attractive to real Christians.
Please tell us how many members y'all have there :)
So, let's see what you really believe.
Martin Luther, "These church laws hold good only so long as they are not injurious to Christianity and the laws of God. Therefore, if the Pope deserves punishment, these laws cease to bind us, since Christendom would suffer."
Bornacatholic's belief: "These church laws hold even if they are injurious to Christianity and the laws of God. Therefore, since the Pope can'tdeserve punishment, these laws bind us, even though Christendom would suffer."
Marcel Lefebvre, "In the Church there is no law or jurisdiction which can impose on a Christian a diminution of his faith. All the faithful can and should resist whatever interferes with their faith.... If they are forced with an order putting their faith in danger of corruption, there is an overriding duty to disobey."
Bornacatholic's belief: "In the Church there is a law and jurisdiction which can impose on a Christian a diminution of his faith. All the faithful can and should not resist whatever interferes with their faith.... If they are forced with an order putting their faith in danger of corruption, there is an overriding duty to obey."
Martin Luther, "The Church of Rome, formerly the most holy of all churches, has become . . . the very kingdom of sin, death and hell; so that not even the Antichrist, if he were to come, could desire any addition to its wickedness."
Bornacatholic's belief: "The [c]hurch of Rome, never the most holy of all churches, has not become . . . the very kingdom of sin, death and hell; so that even the Antichrist, if he were to come, would desire any addition to its wickedness. (But so what? Pray, pay and obey." )
Marcel Lefebvre "The See of Peter and posts of authority in Rome being occupied by Antichrists, the destruction of the Kingdom of Our Lord is being rapidly carried out even within His Mystical Body here below."
Bornacatholic's belief: "The See of Peter and posts of authority in Rome are being occupied by true Christs, the construction of the Kingdom of Our Lord is being rapidly carried out even within His Mystical Body here below." ( Cardinal Law, "We love you!" Cardinal Kaspar---oh! swooning.....)
Done. In fact, let's formalize our mutual antagonism society and agree not ever post to one other, ok?
Brother, I couldn't have made-up a more illogical post...and to think you did it to defend L & L....
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