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No More Tolerance For Zero Tolerance (Cathryn Crawford)
The Washington Dispatch ^ | October 10, 2003 | Cathryn Crawford

Posted on 10/10/2003 8:49:57 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds

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To: CougarGA7
Unfortunately, that's what it will take before people wake up to the fact that "Zero Tolerance" needs to be tempered with a degree of exercised common sense.

Common sense would fix SO many of this country's problems, but it's absent in virtually every element of our government. I can't tell you how relieved I am to finally have my kids (graduated) out of our local school system. They were CONSTANTLY introducing new rules and zero-tolerance policies on everything under the sun. Many were so void of logic that I could only conclude that there was some idiot in the system whose only job responsibility was the creation of new rules.

MM

61 posted on 10/10/2003 11:08:30 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: CougarGA7
There was a similar case years ago, where a student on a school bus had an attack that was bordering on anaphalactic (sp?) shock. Another student used her escape inhaler on the victim. The comment by the ER physician was that quick thinking by the latter student most probably saved the former's life. Meant nothing, violation of the "zerp tolerance" drug policy.
When I was in high school in the 70's, there were some seniors who were on the local volunteer fire department and rescue squad. Just about all of the rescue squad people had a full kit in the back of their cars (the first responders are on the scene many times well before the ambulance arrives). These days the first aiders would be arrested for having a set of bandages, dressings, scissors, etc in their vehicles.
62 posted on 10/10/2003 11:57:48 AM PDT by Fred Hayek
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To: E Rocc
Unionized public employees are about as enthusiastic about using "judgement" as vampires are about cooking with garlic. This is how "zero tolerance" was developed, to avoid the need to do so.

Unionized or not, we need to force using reasonable judgement and authority, by repealing these asinine laws and terminating administrators who exhibit poor judgement and/or lack of discipline. If they don't like it, well there's always openings in the food service and housekeeping industries.

63 posted on 10/10/2003 12:30:47 PM PDT by jimt
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Cat,this is one great and NEEDED article. Good job!!!!

Dave
64 posted on 10/10/2003 1:01:21 PM PDT by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow.....The United States Army)
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To: Modernman
A friend of mine has an asthmatic girl whom the school system has trouble accepting (med needs/perscriptions, etc.). Since a few of the teachers are unwilling to allow the girl her meds, Mommie is unwilling to let them keep their jobs.

Score so far: Mommie - 5, idiot teachers - 0.

She fires 'em by knowing the teacher's manual and then making them observe it. Strictly. It works, ask the Fired Five.

Moral: You don't have to take the abuse of an out of control teacher.
65 posted on 10/10/2003 2:38:46 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles - -)
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To: GladesGuru
Moral: You don't have to take the abuse of an out of control teacher.

I actually helped my aunt take care of the problem with my cousin's school when they tried to make him keep his inhaler in the nurse's office. My fiancee is a labor/employment lawyer. She lobbed a little phone call to the principal and mentioned four little words- Americans With Disabilities Act. They freaked out and stopped bugging him about it.

66 posted on 10/10/2003 2:44:16 PM PDT by Modernman ("Oh, you all talk big but who here has the guts to stop me!" -Mr. Burns)
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To: Modernman
ADA has the same effect on any poor, dumb, soul working in the Bowels of the Beast (any bureaucracy). Because of the inherent conflicts betweeen their socialism, the contradictory regs characteristic of bureaucracies, and human nature, there is nearly always something that the 'crat either didn't do and was supposed to, or did do and wasn't allowed to so do.

In any case, find the appropriate reg and your problem 'crat is meat on the table. Nothing like the smell of Fired 'Crat in the morning (with apologies to Coppola).
67 posted on 10/10/2003 2:57:03 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles - -)
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To: ladylib
>What's wrong with you?!
>Why do you send your daughter to a school that won't let >her keep her inhalator?
>How can you sleep at night?
>If more parents told schools they were going to pull their >kids out immediately if they can't have their inhalators >with them, you'd see the NEA begging the legislatures to >change the law.

Excuse me, but how dare you judge me!!

I send her to a school that I have to send her to. Do you have an extra $20,000 a year to send her to a private school? Or are you going to bail me out when I take her out of school and go to jail for it? I have fought, I have pitched a fit and I have decided to send her to school with her inhaler hidden away in a pocket of her book bag. Did you bother to ask before you attacked me? No, I only stated what they did, and expected. But you don't care because you merely attacked. So glad to know I have met the perfect parent. (NOT)

You are a snotty person and need to keep your snotty posts to yourself.


68 posted on 10/10/2003 6:51:59 PM PDT by sunryse
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To: Modernman
One of these days, an asthmatic or diabetic kid is going to die because of these rules and his or her parents will end up with a multi-million dollar judgment against the school board. I would even support negligent homicide charges against the administrators in such a situation.

It's already happened...

1991 death of a New Orleans high school student, Catrina Lewis, who was delayed by security guards before being allowed to get her inhaler from the office. When it didn’t help, she asked school staff to call an ambulance; instead they spent a half-hour trying to call her mother first. Catrina’s sister, another student, finally called 911 herself, but emergency help arrived too late. In 1996, a New Orleans judge ordered Lawless High School’s acting principal, a school counselor, and the school board to pay $1 million in damages to Catrina’s family.

69 posted on 10/11/2003 5:46:07 AM PDT by gd124
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To: sunryse
So why don't you pull her out and homeschool her? Did you ever think of that? That's better than sending her to a school where her life is in danger. Where there's a will, there's a way.

70 posted on 10/11/2003 6:26:53 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Good article. It continues to mystify me that people put their kids in the hands of these people. What kind of education do they think their kids will get from morons, who do not share their values, and who mock the very things most parents believe in?

Things are not going to get better until the schools are returned to local control. The teachers and administrators have not the least sense that they work for the parents, or that they owe the parents any respect at all because in fact they don't work for the parents, and they owe the parents nothing. Until that basic fact changes nothing changes.

And none of that is going to change until there is an effective private alternative to the public schools, when the public schools become just one of an array of education choices available to parents, and that isn't going to change until parents have control over their education tax dollars.

Los vientos y la lluvia lo han lavado limpio...

De qué se refiere eso?

71 posted on 10/12/2003 2:50:27 PM PDT by marron
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To: Scenic Sounds
Don't forget "possesssion of an explosive device" for a 1 inch firecracker or being arrested for "verbal assault."

Read what happened to Alex Smith here! Sorry, but this one time, Bill O'Reilly didn't get it right!

http://homepage.mac.com/alex_smith/
72 posted on 11/26/2003 5:44:20 PM PST by pray4liberty
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To: jimkress
By perpetuating a climate of fear in the schools, education is eliminated and a new generation of ignorant slaves is produced - thus perpetuating Liberal domination of society.

Well, not quite. There IS only one good thing about zero tolerance. Students and parents alike are starting to wake up about exercising their Constitutional rights. It's a heck of a way to get an education, since rights are not taught...nor honored..in school.

Long-term, students who were victimized by these policies will one day grow up to sit on school boards, run for elective office, become doctors and lawyers, serve in the military or the police force, and make life an absolute living hell for those who perpetuated this horrible system of injustice on them.

I've heard more than one victim say they would homeschool their own children. Zero tolerance will eventually serve the cause of freedom, the more it grows, the more victims, the more students will not be attending their public indoctrination centers and the whole system will eventually collapse.

Parents whose children have been unfairly punished have put up websites to educate the public.

http://www.endzerotolerance.com
http://www.savebrian.org
http://totallyunjust.hypermart.net

We're fighting back.

73 posted on 11/26/2003 5:57:15 PM PST by pray4liberty (Thanks to Zero Tolerance, our Constitution is in the toilet.)
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