TAKING OVER THE CRA/NFRA AND THE CHALCEDON FOUNDATION - ARE WE BEING MANIPULATED?

[george wythe]

As of September 30, 2003, McClintock had not even talked to Stoos about his controversial writings:

Nonetheless, McClintock said, "I'm very concerned that he's continued those writings since he joined my staff and I'll have a talk with him about that."

Stoos said Monday that the rigors of the campaign have not allowed time for such a discussion.

Apparently, it's not a big deal with McClintock.

By the way, Stoos came to McClintock with a controversial past:

In 1995, Stoos was quoted in a Northern California newspaper as saying that Jews "would not have total acceptance" in the Christian-based society he envisioned, and that though they would nevertheless be tolerated, they "would feel more at home" in Israel. The remarks, the Contra Costa Times reported, were made during a Berkeley panel discussion on religion and politics. Stoos participated as a representative of the Christian Coalition, a conservative group founded by the Rev. Pat Robertson.

Stoos maintains that he was quoted out of context, and that the Contra Costa Times later retracted the article and apologized to him in writing. Stoos declined to comment further.

In fact, the newspaper did clarify that the article did not mean to imply that Stoos was anti-Semitic or had made anti-Semitic remarks, and apologized for any misunderstanding the article might have caused. The clarification made no mention of Stoos being misquoted.

San Francisco attorney Martin Kassman, who was on the panel with Stoos and represented the American Civil Liberties Union, said there was no mistaking Stoos' message that day.

"He was clearly expressing his opinion that Jews are not equal to Christians as he defines Christianity in the United States that we are a lesser breed of U.S. citizen," Kassman recalled in a recent interview. He said he immediately challenged Stoos' comments.

McClintock knew about Stoos' being kicked out of the Christian Coalition and the Gun Owners of California, but "took Stoos at his word:"

Following his remarks, Stoos was asked to resign from an advisory board affiliated with the Christian Coalition, and did so. Ralph Reed Jr., then the coalition's executive director, called Stoos' remarks "outrageous and totally unacceptable" in a letter to the head of the Anti-Defamation League.

Stoos also resigned as executive director of Gun Owners of California. He did so, he told The Times, because he did not want the controversy to tarnish the reputation of the group.

Kassman said his concerns about Stoos were renewed when he saw his name in recent newspaper articles that quoted him on behalf of McClintock.

"It is very troubling that a major candidate for governor of California has a senior advisor who subscribes to the views Mr. Stoos subscribes to," Kassman said. "As a Jew who lives in California, I'd be very worried if we had a governor who had a senior advisor who believes that."

Asked about the comments attributed to Stoos in the 1995 Contra Costa Times report, McClintock responded: "If that's what he said, that's an absolutely outrageous and unacceptable comment."

Two years later, when Stoos was poised to go to work for McClintock, Republican Assembly members Gary Miller and Curt Pringle tried to dissuade McClintock from hiring him, citing his comments at the Berkeley forum and other issues.

"We believed he was divisive — and we were conservatives," said Miller, now a member of Congress from Orange County.

McClintock said in an interview last week that he subsequently had a long conversation with Stoos, and Stoos assured him that he had been misquoted and that the newspaper article had been retracted. McClintock said he took Stoos at his word

[strela]

Cue the Twilight Zone music - I was searching for that very post in my links just now. Thank you.

[Petronski]

Someone here needs to remember what he might have seen on the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory:

"I am opposed by strong and hidden forces: Strongly Agree - Agree Somewhat - Neutral - Disagree Somewhat - Strongly Disagree"

(Hint, it's a test for paranoia)

[Chancellor Palpatine]

From newsmax: The Times reported that enthusiastic supporters of McClintock included California businessman Howard Ahmanson Jr.; Gary Bauer, a political leader among religious conservatives; Lewis K. Uhler, president of the National Tax Limitation Committee; and Reed Larson, president of the National Right to Work Committee.

KTLA:

Among members of the Council for National Policy who were hosts at Friday's fund-raiser, a posh reception at the Broadmoor Hotel in Colorado Springs, were Irvine businessman Howard Ahmanson Jr.; Gary Bauer of the Washington think tank American Values, a political leader among religious conservatives; Lewis K. Uhler, president of the National Tax Limitation Committee; and Reed Larson, president of the National Right to Work Committee.

Newsday:

McClintock is the beneficiary of at least four independent efforts in the recall campaign. Conservative Christian Howard Ahmanson, an heir to a savings and loan fortune, is spending $75,000 on an independent campaign for McClintock.

A separate committee, the California Republican Assembly, earmarked an additional $57,000 to help elect McClintock, a Thursday filing with the secretary of state shows.

And I didn't work real hard to find those. Considering that wife Roberta was making donations, too, it appears that they were coming up with significant $$$.

[William McKinley]

Two years later, when Stoos was poised to go to work for McClintock, Republican Assembly members Gary Miller and Curt Pringle tried to dissuade McClintock from hiring him, citing his comments at the Berkeley forum and other issues.

OK, now I am convinced. McClintock either knew, or should have known. If they tried to dissuade him from hiring this guy, then either they told him, or they told him enough where he should have pulled the string.

CP- I still think your Claremont point in the original article here did nothing but confuse things. It proved nothing and does a disservice to a good organization.

[Miss Marple]

I will even accept that McClintock didn't know exactly what Stoos believed, but a large donor is another story.

And, this Soos person could be actively advising McClintock into actions that are detrimental to him and to the Republicans...like calling those who didn't support him "country club" types.

[William McKinley]

As I just said- now I am convinced.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

That was simply in one of the excerpted paragraphs. If you note, I paid no particular heed to in my definition space.

[Poohbah]

Remember, though, what Henry Kissinger said:

"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out to get you!"

The Forrestal affair is a signal reminder of the truth in this statement. (James Forrestal was hospitalized in part because he believed he was being followed by foreign agents. After his suicide, the US government discovered that the Israelis and the British had both had teams of secret agents following him...)

[NormsRevenge]

The ways of the Old Testament were done away when Christ was born and made his earthly sojourn and subsequently was crucified, died and then resurrected.

To Christians worldwide, the New Testament is the basis for a code of life that replaced the OT and does not condone stoning or death for unbelievers, as I recall.

Yet, there are those here today that argue there are forces working towards that end and implementing the OT ways again.

It seems that those same forces would be willing to suffer eternal damnation in doing so as they are in direct opposition to God's plan as revealed in the Gospel.

Now here is a thread that claims the "Chalcedonians" seek to rule absolutely as the Clintons and their ilk would desire as well.

There are some here with their own agendas and desires to change FR and subject it and its mission to being a muted one at best, using any scurrilous inference that it can, without regard for their own eternal souls or for others they may mislead as they layout their information and try to persuade others of its validity on today's political stage.

If you want to go biblical, get it right. This is why Jesus said he would spit out the lukewarms. They are worse than the openly evil for they would try and pass themselves off as one of the same community they seek to attack and conquer and vanquish for their own ends.

Just my thoughts.

[tpaine]

--- Stoos wrote about an anti-abortion city council disobeying the law of the land in February of this year:

What if. . .

Perhaps some brave school boards would inspire the same type of action in other lesser magistrates like city council members or state legislators.

I dream of the day when a strong Christian majority is elected to a city council somewhere in America.
This council could then pass a resolution declaring that abortion is now illegal in their city.


Of course, the city attorney would quickly tell them that they cannot do this, at which point he should be fired and a good prolife attorney should be hired to replace him.
Next up would be the police chief, who would likely say he could not enforce such a law. Again, the council should accept his letter of resignation and hire someone who would enforce the law.

If they came to those members and said you must allow abortion in your city because it "is the law of the land," then the council members could rightly and with all Biblical authority respond to the state or federal officials by saying, "whom should we obey, God or man?"

The council members are empowered by their office to do what I as a private individual am forbidden to do, that is, hold these erring magistrates accountable. - Stoos

251 -gw-

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Excellent idea.

.. This would be a great type of test case for the 'states rightists' position..
I doubt it could ever be forced up to USSC review, but by being shot down by every appeals court on the way, -- it might convice some semi-rational 'rightists' that our constitution means what it says in the 9th & 10th amendments.

[strela]

The ways of the Old Testament were done away when Christ was born and made his earthly sojourn and subsequently was crucified, died and then resurrected.

Weren't the Ten Commandments documented in the Old Testament?

[RGSpincich]

As of September 30, 2003, McClintock had not even talked to Stoos about his controversial writings:

There was nothing to talk about. McClintock knew what Stoos was up to. The warnings from the CRA served as notice to McClintock that there was a problem with Stoos. Since 1997 McClitock has known of Stoos writings and Chalcedon relationship.

McClintock said in an interview last week that he subsequently had a long conversation with Stoos, and Stoos assured him that he had been misquoted and that the newspaper article had been retracted. McClintock said he took Stoos at his word

The CCTimes stood by their story and did not retract the quote by Stoos. Witnesses confirm the statement.

[nosofar]

I see nothing wrong with the stated doctrines of Chalcedon. It sounds like your main beef is that a self-identified Christian would presume to play power politics in the Republican Party.

[John Beresford Tipton]

"How dare good and moral men come into power and actually want to return to the days of old when sodomites went to jail for life and morality mattered"


Yo, Mullah Omar, you're safe, praise be to Allah!

[Iconoclast2]

If they had real power, they could trash him from the outside.

And why do you say CRP was "delivered from the clutches of these bozos"? Aren't these same folks still in control of CRP?

It's true, I don't get it, and I'm not even sure what "it" is.

[deport]

Some donations during the Comptroller race from the SoS web site......

DATE	PAYEE	CONTEST	POSITION	PAYMENT TYPE	AMOUNT
09/30/2002	MCCLINTOCK FOR CONTROLLER	STATE CONTROLLER	SUPPORT	MONETARY	$80,000.00
10/17/2002	MCCLINTOCK FOR CONTROLLER	STATE CONTROLLER	SUPPORT	MONETARY	$40,000.00
10/18/2002	MCCLINTOCK FOR CONTROLLER	STATE CONTROLLER	SUPPORT	MONETARY	$30,000.00

[EllaMinnow]

From Ahmanson?

[Iconoclast2]

Consider the possibility that they were principled, and not remotely focused upon "political smarts", rather trusting to the will of God and their perception of his truths.

[Poohbah]

If they had real power, they could trash him from the outside.

They may try to do it in the 2006 primary. They still have a lot of power in that arena. If Arnold's successful, maybe they'll have enough sense to not cause trouble.

And why do you say CRP was "delivered from the clutches of these bozos"? Aren't these same folks still in control of CRP?

Not any more. After they trashed and sued nominees they didn't like in 1998 (and damn near handed the House back to the Dems), and then endorsed Gary Bauer in 2000 and insulted most of the GOP voters as "RINOs" in the process of doing so, the rest of the CA GOP got their backs up and demanded--and got--some changes.

BTW, the CRA is also the group that throws "country-clubber" around as an insult, and then wonder why they can't get any donations out of those country-clubbers...