Startling Study Says People May Be Born Gay

HealthDayNews ^ | October 6, 2003 | Amanda Gardner

[Drawsing]

Don't have time to read all the posts, but just in case no one has mentioned it yet, here goes:

For those who believe in an absolute moral code, things are much simpler. Sex outside of marriage is wrong. Marriage is between a man and a woman.

I don't deny that both men and women can be born with predispositions toward all kinds of wrong behavior including alcoholism and shoplifting and homosexuality. But, the fact that this behavior is simply wrong prevents a lot of people from doing it. Many "effeminate" men are happily married because they never seriously even entertained the thought of doing something they knew to be wrong.

"Right" and "Wrong".....What a concept!

[First Amendment]

Yeah, it's true about girls molested when young. They often either become lesbians or wildly promiscuous. Either way, their sexuality gets distored because of the early violation.

>>>I want to see some sources here. Especially that whole "wildly promiscuous" part. Personally, I think they( and they know who they are) are wildly without women, or joy, or good purpose. <<<

Read some of the links scripter has. It's where I've read it. It's a rather well known thing. I have to run out the door this AM so I can't research it for you, I would like to have such links at my fingertips but don't.

[CodeMonkey]

What I object to is the homo-promoters shoving it down everyone's throats - ESPECIALLY childrens' throats via school-based indoctrination.

So what you're really pissed off about are the actions of a vocal and shrill minority, right?

[CodeMonkey]

Well, what does your libertarian agenda say to the indoctrination, recruitment and seduction of children?

What part of "consenting adults" includes children. Why is it that the average social conservative is incapable of telling the difference between a consenting adult and a child?

[CodeMonkey]

As long as homosexuals left the rest of us alone, I'd agree. The fact of the matter is, it doesn't involve only living, consenting adult humans and even when it does, they DON'T leave the rest of us alone.

No, the fact of the matter is that you are generalizing about entire group of people that span difference races, religions, cultures and both genders. Most do leave you alone. There is no difference between most of the in-your-face gays and those heterosexuals who make it everyone's business who they're sleeping with. Both of those are in-our-face with their sexuality and both are wrong.

[wardaddy]

I am not blaming the victim any more than to point out that some are more appealing targets of opportunity to chickenhawks...that is simple common sense. As I said before, I'm not sure any young boy chooses to be a sissy early on and I also stated that all sissies do not grow up to be queer but a heck of a lot do....especially the very feminine acting ones.

I would like to know more about this idea of Militant Nazi Homosexuality and another poster recommended a few books. Sounds intriguing but I'm still skeptical that it was widespread.

[wardaddy]

The promiscuous one is quite likely to decide she's a lesbian after a single encounter with another woman.

Yes i agree especially if they find men threatening. I have observed women seek lesbian liasions as refuge from men if they have been ill treated. I have never seen a man seek the refuge of homosexuality because a woman was nasty to him. Men usually either withdraw for a while to recover or go straight back to seek the comfort of another woman. Nowadays, we have this Godawful trend whereby young girls think it's cool to go Lesbo temporarily....women for sure have a stronger inclination towards pansexuality than men. I don't even buy the notion of bisexuality in men. A bisexual man to me is a repressed queer.

[webstersII]

" Maybe that's because they constantly have to deal with ignorant bigots who hate and mistreat them."

Or maybe they have problems and that's what causes them to be attracted to the same sex.

[scripter]

God, I just have to love you..."read this" , "read that".

I must have missed something somewhere... In post 132 you said:

Who the heck are the "experts"; and I don't want to know how to become one. And the "pro-gay" experts, well.. "Environment", "Nurture", puleeeeeze. OK, seriously now, Does environment determine what you feel?

To answer your first question I pointed you to the links in post 78. For your "Environment...," which is key to the issue of homosexuality, the same links in post 78 support what I previously said.

Then you asked "seriously now, Does environment determine what you feel?", and again, the links in post 78 would answer your question.

...what I'm saying is to you and pram yeah I had that conversation: in 1979. Yes I am that old. heh.

I'm not sure to what conversation you're referring. In 1979 I had already been propositioned by quite a few homosexuals, almost all of them many, many times. So I'm that old myself.

I guess what I'm saying is, if you have a question about anything we've talked about that you don't believe has been answered, please ask it again and I'll see what I can do. I did see your post 146, and that helps me to better understand from where you're coming... thanks.

[grumple]

Funny...I've searched all over and can't find anywhere that silly report that indicates that same sex pedophilia and same sex child molestation might contribute to one growing up gay...

More people are forced into gayness than are born into it...

no need to worry...I'm not an ESPN sports commentator...

[scripter]

Funny...I've searched all over and can't find anywhere that silly report that indicates that same sex pedophilia and same sex child molestation might contribute to one growing up gay...

Here's a reference you might find informative from What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed?

4) Early homosexual experiences influence adult patterns of behavior

In the 1980s, scholars (12) examined the early Kinsey data to determine whether or not childhood sexual experiences predicted adult behavior. The results were significant: Homosexual experience in the early year, particularly if it was one's first sexual experience - was a strong predictor of adult homosexual behavior, both for males and females. A similar pattern appeared in the 1970 Kinsey Institute (4) study: there was a strong relationship between those whose first experience was homosexual and those who practiced homosexuality in later life. In the FRI study (5) two-thirds of the boys whose first experience was homosexual engaged in homosexual behavior as adults; 95% of those whose first experience was heterosexual were likewise heterosexual in their adult behavior. A similarly progressive pattern of sexual behavior was reported for females.

[GraniteStateConservative]

2) It must be emphasized - as Rahman does not and as the 3 media reports I've seen on the matter do not - that the difference between straight men and gay men was not statistically significant. These results actually point toward one of the conclusions which are the subject of a much broader work that I've been engaged in for some while now (to be published some day or other):

That sexual orientation is largely predetermined amongst females but not so amongst males - or, more accurately, that biological factors exert a much stronger influence on the sexual preferences of women than of men (where the influence is marginal, at best). In short, that the mechanisms of sexual orientation are not directly comparable mirror processes between men and women (as most researchers have tended to assume - incorrectly, IMHO) or necessarily uniform within either.

Geez, JR. You're a regular Renaissance Man.

[rintense]

You know, there are het men and women who willingly engage in and enjoy anal intercourse. Why??? No idea. Don't care really. I live by the rule that its an exit, not an entry. But that's just me. ;)

[Semaphore Heathcliffe]

Funny...I've searched all over and can't find anywhere that silly report that indicates that same sex pedophilia and same sex child molestation might contribute to one growing up gay...

Really all you need is a kid who has no strong male role model, no positive masculine affirmation. He'll already be uncomfortable in or unsure of his own masculinity. If there's a domineering, emasculating Mother ("Mother's gonna keep you right here under her wing. She won't let you fly, but she might let you sing"), there's an even greater chance the kid grows up queer. Any sexual abuse, particularly same sex, can seal the deal.

The guy will learn to eroticize masculine traits in other men, when what he really needs is to feel those traits in himself. It's sexual cannibalism: they are "eating" masculinity from other men.

[GraniteStateConservative]

Lesbian Amazons in the WNBA-- support that, too.

The problem, also, is that it can be both nature and nurture. Abused children (emotionally or physically) can become gay, but it's also possible to find non-abused-as-children homosexuals, I'd think.

[rintense]

I'm sorry, but comparing human behavior and sexuality to animals is just silly. There is a huge difference between free will and instinct.

[GraniteStateConservative]

We can have Labor Day telethons for them.

[grumple]

Funny...I've searched all over and can't find anywhere that silly report that indicates that same sex pedophilia and same sex child molestation might contribute to one growing up gay...

oops...forgot the sarcasm off tag.

[r9etb]

To restate your last in perhaps a more readable form:

There is no reason to assume, as this researcher has done, that lesbianism and male homosexuality are two sides of the same coin. They may very well be caused by completely different things.

[GraniteStateConservative]

Of course there are mistakes of biology. Albinism, hermaphroditism, etc.