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Arnold's corruption of Republican Party
World Net Daily ^ | 10/6/2003 | ALAN KEYES

Posted on 10/06/2003 8:23:46 AM PDT by kellynla

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To: Howlin
Well said, Howlin!
761 posted on 10/06/2003 9:38:52 PM PDT by NordP (Arnold is the "airplane spoon" to help the Dems eat RIGHT!)
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To: outlawcam
seeing how Keyes has been politically active long before Bush was, himself, in the limelight.

George W. Bush ran for Congress in 1977, long before anybody even heard of Alan Keyes.

I'd even venture to say that, considering who his father is, he's been politically active in one way or another all his life.

As for Keyes' saying good things about Bush, you'll have to point some out to me.

Is it in his "I'm Not a Bush Republican" speech, the one where he said

Many conservatives believe that the Clinton presidency was the most dangerous time we have faced, as Americans and conservatives, in the history of the country. I do not share this belief. Rather, I believe that we are now entering that most dangerous era. For the bullet you hear is not the one that kills you. Organized and conscious advocacy of the principles that have made American liberty possible since the founding is unlikely to die at the hands of an explicit and avowed enemy like Bill Clinton. It is actually more likely that conservatives will passively accept political euthanasia for their cause at the hands of someone we have too readily believed could be entrusted with its wise care.

Or maybe you meant this one:

I've been watching closely, and I have not seen a single serious Bush administration initiative that corresponds in reality to the agenda of liberty and of conservative principles.

762 posted on 10/06/2003 9:45:53 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: strela
German is my first language.
763 posted on 10/06/2003 11:33:33 PM PDT by Princeliberty
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To: WillRain; Howlin
BTW, there has been testimony on this thread that Freepers in attendence applauded his remarks so even that bit of your testimony is n dispute.

There were many heated threads at the time over what was said and what was meant. Opinions were divided then; opinions are still divided.

Some of the FReepers who were there were insulted and walked out. That much is true; they came back and reported it on threads here. Just because others weren't insulted doesn't mean it didn't happen.

There's probably no need in fighting through it all again, but Howlin is correct that there were FReepers AT THE SPEECH who reported that Keyes had said Bush was evil, and who walked out and stopped being Keyes supporters because of that speech.

764 posted on 10/07/2003 2:53:48 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: sinkspur
Good early morning, Deacon:

Not grieving at all but celebrating the revelation of truth that has come from this situation. On the right, there is nothing to grieve. We retain our principles whether as to Catholicism or conservatism.

It is our opponents who will grieve and the grieving will start when Arnie, manipulated by Wilson, jacks their taxes and does all those other Wilson things.

May Catholicism be restored in Fort Worth by the appointment of an Athanasius as its bishop, prepared to cleanse the stables. May Republicanism be restored in California when Arnie and his puppetmasters have been disposed of.

It is also always worthwhile when one who claims Catholicism while supporting pro-aborts and pro-lavenders identify himself for he is and thereby makes obvious his disobedience to and deviation from the Faith.

765 posted on 10/07/2003 3:10:11 AM PDT by BlackElk (Schwarzenegger is as Republican as Pete Wilson or George McGovern or Hillary!!!)
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To: strela
Dream on.
766 posted on 10/07/2003 3:14:06 AM PDT by BlackElk (Schwarzenegger is as Republican as Pete Wilson or George McGovern or Hillary!!!)
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To: sinkspur
May I remind you that that very Catholic bishop of yours is no more Catholic than Arnie, Wilson et al. are conservative.

Your pal Bishop Delaney is the Forth Worth bishop who imported his "old pal", a lavender priest already discredited in Rhode Island to run the Fort Worth "Catholic" diocesan BOY SCOUT program and also allows you to preach. Explain if you will, the good Catholicism of that appointment and that friendship when it leads to an appointment to give Fr. Lavender access to young boys.

Whether Keyes said so or not, it would be quite obvious. I don't remember him saying he is morally superior to you as Catholic or as Republican. He did not need to say so since that is patently obvious on both counts.

767 posted on 10/07/2003 3:22:04 AM PDT by BlackElk (Schwarzenegger is as Republican as Pete Wilson or George McGovern or Hillary!!!)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
That is an equivalent of "assuming arguendo." I did not want to confuse you with Latin.
768 posted on 10/07/2003 3:23:44 AM PDT by BlackElk (Schwarzenegger is as Republican as Pete Wilson or George McGovern or Hillary!!!)
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To: strela
I am dissing Arnold who is pro-abort, pro-laveder "mariage", pro-lavender adoption of innocvent children, pro-gun control, pro-tax, pro-public "education", pro-racial quota tools, etc. If that group of issues spells conservative to you, it is time to return to Uranus which seems to be your home planet.
769 posted on 10/07/2003 3:27:20 AM PDT by BlackElk (Schwarzenegger is as Republican as Pete Wilson or George McGovern or Hillary!!!)
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To: Robert_Paulson2; sinkspur
Are you also claiming to be "Catholic". If not, mind your own business as to the disagreements among those who are and those (like SS, Arnie, Cruz and Doofus) who claim to be despite support for abortion and lavenderism (in the form of Arnie and his political positions).

If you are a big "ten commandments" guy, you should remem,ber not to bear false witness. On thatI agree.

770 posted on 10/07/2003 3:30:32 AM PDT by BlackElk (Schwarzenegger is as Republican as Pete Wilson or George McGovern or Hillary!!!)
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To: ApesForEvolution
Hey friend. Long time no see.
771 posted on 10/07/2003 3:32:38 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: My2Cents
Keyes does not expect to "appeal" to the etc. He bears witness to the Truth and serves well. All life is not a matter of pandering for the support of those who find morality or the innocent lives of others inconvenient.
772 posted on 10/07/2003 3:36:04 AM PDT by BlackElk (Schwarzenegger is as Republican as Pete Wilson or George McGovern or Hillary!!!)
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To: BibChr
AB 205 is a full scale abomination. The vote on passage in the Senate was razor thin? I doubt it. If it were passing by a wide margin, his absence for more important efforts would be justified.

SCA 90 may not be desirable legislation but it is not anywhere near on a par with AB 205. All SCA 205 did, according to your description, is to make Prop 13 applicable to Lance's transfer to Bruce.

How do you suppose the members of the groups opposing SCA 90 lean in the gubernatorial race? I am having more than a little trouble imagining Phyllis Schlafly of Eagle Forum supporting the Schwarzenkennedy.

773 posted on 10/07/2003 3:46:12 AM PDT by BlackElk (Schwarzenegger is as Republican as Pete Wilson or George McGovern or Hillary!!!)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
If you think you are surprised now, wait until you see Wilson's sock puppet as governor.
774 posted on 10/07/2003 4:01:14 AM PDT by BlackElk (Schwarzenegger is as Republican as Pete Wilson or George McGovern or Hillary!!!)
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To: sd-joe; ElkGroveDan; EternalVigilance
The question is whether to pull a few temporary votes from the narrow slice of Demonrats who are now worried about taxes or to pull large numbers of socially conservative minority voters and particularly Latinos who do not want their grandchildren aborted or their children in lavender relationships. The white shoe Republican Muffiesa and Skippers are fading fast and there are not that many Demonratic regulars so worried about their trust funds as to be reliable Republicans.

Wha you guys consistently ignore is that Arnie is the disastrous Wilson redux or he would not have had Wilson as campaign manager. The California GOP simly refuses to recognize that Wilson's elitist liberalism on taxes, social issues and overt racism against Latinos (which has cost the GOP in California MANY votes) is the root of GOP failure in Caligornia. Now, while Arnold rakes in out of state special interest dough (Arnie for sale to the same interests as Doofus) and Vegas casino money, the Wilsonites want to spend their time whacking McClintock for being supported by California's Indian casinos. If you ran an Indian casino, wouldn't you try to stop Arnie when he is in bed with your Vegas competitors?

That celebrity liberal Arnie has access to liberal money via Buffett and Wilson and other media advantages does no change the essential fact that to support im is to surrender on the installment plan.

775 posted on 10/07/2003 4:14:49 AM PDT by BlackElk (Schwarzenegger is as Republican as Pete Wilson or George McGovern or Hillary!!!)
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To: Amelia
What makes me bet that McClintock knew that his vote would not have been significant. 23-15 passage of a lavender rights abomination is not meaningfully different from 23-14. You might find the notion that a senator must be present for every vote appealing but there are sometimes things more important. How do you know he did not pair with a pro-lavender, freeing both from needing to be present without affecting the margin? Happens frequently in Congress.

No harm done and no big deal in any event compared to ACTIVELY supporting child killing and lavender agendas as Arnie and his puppetmaster do.

776 posted on 10/07/2003 4:24:13 AM PDT by BlackElk (Schwarzenegger is as Republican as Pete Wilson or George McGovern or Hillary!!!)
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To: WillRain
You can rant and rave all you want, but my point is valid. If the Republican Party does die (Whig does mean something to me) then let it die. It will be a natural evolution.
777 posted on 10/07/2003 4:33:30 AM PDT by carton253 (All I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11/2001)
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To: Amelia; jwalsh07
Amelia: Maybe, it's just me but you do seem to be nannynagging this subject to death in circumstances where McClintock's vote made no difference. I personally did not mind Bush leaving Texas to campaign while he was governor. It goes with the political territory and I wanted him to win. When he leaves DC to campaign between now and 11/04, that won't bother me either. He's being paid to be president? No big deal. McClintock is being paid to be a state senator? An even smaller deal.

You are complaining because he was campaigning against your non-officeholding candidate. People in both parties and of all persuasions make this silly complain in every election and others, similarly diverse, dismiss such complaints out of hand.

Hypocrisy is vastly overrated as an objection as well. It is usually used to claim moral equivalency when none exists.

Finally, it is relatively easy to "count" votes in advance in a forty-member state senate. It is far more difficult to "count" in advance the votes in the general electorate. Pollsters try and usually (including, I will admit, this recall and the election of a replacement) do a fairly good job of polling on the who will you vote for type of question once they have properly qualified the respondent as a probable voter which most do. Nonetheless, it is important that CONSERVATIVE voters vote in elections and vote as CONSERVATIVES and take nothing for granted.

778 posted on 10/07/2003 4:40:51 AM PDT by BlackElk (Schwarzenegger is as Republican as Pete Wilson or George McGovern or Hillary!!!)
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