Schwarzenegger Candidacy Illustrates The Republican Party's Lack Of Commitment To Conservatism

Toogood Reports ^ | October 5, 2003 | Chuck Baldwin

[MHGinTN]

Conservatives (not just Republicans) are being played like cheap fiddles! Think about it: there is a worthwhile way to compared the two candidates, Arnold and Tom, without spitting conservative v leftist arguments all over the press; which candidate has the background experience to deal with Sacramento? Sorry to have to say this because it will just draw flak, but it is Tom McClintock who is the more qualified candidate to deal with the sludge that covers Sacramento. All the railing against Arnold is absurd. All the 'he's not conservative enough to be a true Republican' is mere manipulation utilizing the values conservatives espouse. This is not an election of conservative v liberal, it is an election to try and fix at least some of the putrifaction now infesting California political control.

[Dave S]

WHICH DO YOU PICK AS BEING THE WORST?

They are both screwed up. Why choose between them? I'm for Arnold and secondly for McClintock. Why choose between two daffy ducks like Davis and Baldwin (who thinks GWB is the Anti-Christ) when we have two guys that can turn California around.

[Saundra Duffy]

Here in the Valley, the most amazing thing has happened. What used to be a place where conservative Republicans flourished - and we were proud - has now become a place where the leaders have sold their souls to Arnold Schwarzenegger. Our GOP Central Committee Chair, Jane Parsons, is like a love sick school girl. Bill Jones and Mike Der Manouel Jr. are acting like star struck groupies. These people, mind you, used to be pro life/pro family staunch conservative Republicans.

IT'S FRIGGIN' EMBARRASSING!!!

I "walked for Tom" McClintock on Saturday so I can sleep well.

[xzins]

Someone said they couldn't tell the diff between Davis and Baldwin.

I think it's easy.

I've never seen the GWB is anti-christ claim by Baldwin.

If I had to choose between a Christian conservative and Davis to run my state, though, I'd always go with the Christian conservative.

[Dave S]

If I had to choose between a Christian conservative and Davis to run my state, though, I'd always go with the Christian conservative.

I wouldnt if it was a kook like Baldwin. With Davis you can always buy him or threaten him. With kooks like Baldwin that believe they are the only spokesman for God on earth, they would drive the state into total ruin thinking they could do no wrong because they are led by God.

Baldwin wrote an editorial that appeared on FR titled "Is GWB the Anti-Christ" and then proceeded to show how Bush was not the friend of conservatives had done nothing for conservatives.

[BureaucratusMaximus]

"Hard-right conservatives are a minority and always will be so."

Let me help you out with that one:

"If conservatives don't stick to their principles and support conservative candidates (which, BTW includes DEMANDING it from the (R) party)...Hard-right conservatives will continue to be a minority and always will be so."

[xzins]

In other words, he was calling Bush a name. He didn't put forward a biblical argument on how GW was the fulfillment of the anti-christ scriptures.

I'd take the Christian conservative.

But, I don't consider Schwarzeneggar to be a conservative of any variety. Do you?

[Dave S]

But, I don't consider Schwarzeneggar to be a conservative of any variety. Do you?

Fiscal conservative which is what I care most about. Live and let live for the rest, unless someone starts telling me how I need to behave then I get pissed by the Baldwin Kooks as well as the idiots against religion in society.

Bye for now. I've got to work.

[xzins]

I don't consider him a fiscal conservative. I consider him a pro business liberal Republican.

A fiscal conservative wouldn't have accepted Warren Buffet to be economic advisor. Nor would a fiscal conservative seek fiscal solvency first in tax increases, which he first announced; nor in taxes on Indian casino money, which is his current position.

[cogitator]

What good are principles if you always lose?

Too bad we can't ask that question of Ronald Reagan. I don't think that Reagan abandoned his principles, and he won, yet at the same time his principles ofttimes succumbed to political reality during his administration. One of the major realities being: even if deficits go way, way up, it's hard to cut spending on 1/3 of the budget in order to balance it. And that's a current reality, too; one that very few, if any, current elected officials are willing to face.

Arnold's going to face the reality that 70-80% of the California budget is currently allocated due to voter initiatives and can't be cut. One of those initiatives he championed (after school programs) so I doubt he'd want to cut it. So when he starts attempting to cut what he can, which isn't much but which might be popular (environmental protection) or vital (prisons), he stands to become very unpopular in a hurry. About the only thing I admire about Arnold's run is that particular risk (yet he also could drag down the California GOP with him). We'll see if he can deliver on his promises.

[montag813]

Furthermore, Schwarzenegger's immoral escapades make even Bill Clinton look unsoiled

Yet another idiotic Chuck Baldwin screed. The above sentence is one of the dumbest things ever posted on this forum. Where is the "BARF ALERT"?

[pgyanke]

Thank you.

[Moby Grape]

You boy cannot win....no matter how many posts you put up...no matter who endorses McClintock...no matter how hard all of you fight the wind mills with your swords, you cannot change reality...If McClintock was the chose of most in California, he would be leading in the polls...it is just that simple.

The fact that the GOP threw itss endorsements behind Arnold, is not due to a total abandoning of conservatism, but an acknowledgment of reality....face the truth...stop fighting wind mills with your swords....you are not going to change reality.

[lilylangtree]

Termite the Gropinator admires the Kennedys and even married one. Bubba Clintoon's mentor was John F. Kennedy, and he also admired the Kennedy brood. The Kennedy men are notorious womanizers. So it's not surprising that Termite the Gropinator and Clintoon have no respect for women. Does anyone remember the infamous former Sen. Bob Packwood and his lack of respect for women? The Gropinator, like Clintoon-Packwood-Kennedy men, is just interested in how fast a woman can spread her legs for him.

[nosofar]

The Republican Party no more desires conservatives in political office than the Democrat Party does, and people who think otherwise are only deceiving themselves.

The Republican Party is no different from the Democratic Party. Both are primarily interested in political power. The RP can not counted on to maintain any values all by itself. It's the membership that keeps it in line. If the RP can ensure political power by moving left, it will do so and abandon conservatism in a heartbeat if it means more power.

[gaspar]

Another illustration of how the perfect (McClintock) is the enemy of the good (Arnold) for Conservatives. Arnold can help rebuild a moribund Republican party in California. And that is something McClintock never can do. Plus, I would rather trust a man who has both made and met a payroll (Arnold) vs. a man who has spent his whole life on the public teat.

[Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS]

Termite the Gropinator

LOL…that tags him pretty well….

[Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS]

Arnold can help rebuild a moribund Republican

LOL- you are so incredibly clueless…

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