Why This Far-Right, Pro-Life Christian Plans to Vote for Schwarzenegger

Self | 10/5/2003 | Daniel J. Phillips (BibChr)

[Walkin Man]

Like the other poster said, your conscience must really be bothering you as well it should.

If Arnie is elected one of the first things he will do is disavow you and others like you. You will receive the back of his hand for all of your help in getting him elected just to please his legion of ant-Christian, pro-abort backers.

It is sad to see a Christian being used by the left to further their anti-Christ lifestyles.

[strela]

Bravo, brava, bravi (whichever applies in your case). Well-written, well thought out, well presented.

I see that the usual gang of looneytune Tombots and single-issue kooks have picked up their pitchforks and torches and are trashing you. Unlike you, these neopuritans apparently had four or five Fifteenth Centuries before being dragged kicking and screaming into the Twenty-First. Consider their childish anger (and the saliva dripping from their jowls) as the ultimate badge of honor.

Bravo zulu.

[IpaqMan]

I am a Christian small businessman, so I have numerous business concerns especially since God led me to my business. I look at all of the candidate issues as well as competence. Anyone who has already demonstrated leadership failures and failed to keep recent promises is already suspect in my book. Someone who has failed to count the costs properly is a failed leader.

Peter, Paul, and others were inspired by the Holy Spirit to be great leaders. I do not see that same inspiration in any of the current candidates, so I make my choice based upon other considerations.

[epow]

Dan, I am not going to condemn you for your decision, and I am not going to pass judgement upon you for doing what you must believe is right. Having read your posts for several years, I believe you are a commited Christian who is open and public with his faith, and I believe you would not be planning to vote for Arnold if you thought you would displease our Lord in so doing, or that you would dishonor him on this public forum by making known your decision.

But having said all that, I must also say I believe you are mistaken in your reasoning and your understanding of relevant scripture. I understand the intense desire of all reasonable and decent Californians to rid themselves of the abominable ultra-leftist Democratic administration which has devastated the state and further advanced the agenda of the anti-Christian, anti-morality segment of Californians. However, I can't accept the theory you have adopted which seems to say that by by promoting the lesser of two evils you are lessening the degree of the evil itself. I cannot and I do not condemn nor criticise you for your decision, and perhaps I have misapprehended the true meaning of your post. We all stand before our Lord individually, and we must all make our decisions such as this one according to our best understanding of his will concerning that particular matter. Personally, I have made a promise to God that I will never under any circumstances vote for a pro-abortion candidate, and I intend to honor that promise even if it turns out I was prompted by my own feelings and not by his leading. I felt I was led to make that promise, but I don't make a claim to any unique relationship with God which would entitle me to know his will on a questionable matter while other Christians do not. Like you, I based my decision on my understanding of his will as I believe it to be revealed in scripture. I believe you sincerely believe you have likewise found his will concerning this matter in scripture, and I am not qualified to judge which of us is correct. But inasmuch as we are diametrically opposed on the issue, one of us is of necessity right and the other is wrong. God knows for certain which is which, I confess I don't.

To sum up, I respect your right as a sincere Christian to follow your own understanding of his will on a matter which admittedly is not specifically addressed in scripture. As said previously, I do not and will not condemn nor criticize your decision, and your decision will not affect my high regard for either you or your posts in the future. OTOH, I believe in my own heart that my understanding of his will in this matter fits more closely with the revealed nature of God than does yours, and I could not vote for a pro-abortion candidate even if I had not made a promise in that regard.

My heart goes out to every born again Christian in CA who is or has been struggling with this question. I know it is extremely difficult for a man or woman of faith and Christian character to appear to his or her fellow believers as approving of the actions or beliefs of those who know no right or wrong except expediency. I can sympathize with your, and others, struggle with conscience and Christian principle regarding this issue, and even in the midst of profound disagreement on an issue such as this one I can still love and respect every Christian brother and sister who truly loves our blessed Lord. May God's grace and peace be with you my brother, and I sincerely hope you are proven right and myself wrong in the matter at issue.

[EternalVigilance]

"Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."
William Shakespeare

[deport]

Thanks for the time and effort to explain your reasoning as to why you've adopted your position regarding the CA Governor recall election. From my perspective it isn't necessary as I don't think anyone of us owes the other a detailed reasoning or account of how we opt to select the option we will employ in doing what has been granted to us under our Country's rules of governance.

My suggestion to you is to let this stand and don't attempt to respond to either pro or con regarding your chosen actions....

Again thanks and peace.

[drstevej]

Dan, we're friends but are on different sides on this one. The abortion issue plus the grope and apologize attitude of Arnold are a lethal combination.

We have loudly proclaimed that character counts. No doubt some if not many of the complaints are bogus. But Arnold makes it clear that there are ample grounds for concern. I incessantly hammered Clinton on the character issue. How can I ignore Arnold?

The timing of these accusation stinks. The Nazi lover charge is scurrilous. But a man who is married and asks ladies if he can check to see if their breasts are real is not someone I want to elect to office.

Ross Perot was perennially whacko, but when he said, "If your wife can't trust you, how can we trust you?" he veered into the truth.

[independentmind]

Unlike you, these neopuritans apparently had four or five Fifteenth Centuries before being dragged kicking and screaming into the Twenty-First.

I am very glad I don't live in CA and have to make the choice that many must.

BTW, I think you're off by a century or so.

[EternalVigilance]

I asked for this piece many times.

Thank you for finally providing it.

However, I must say that it proves nothing. It does not bear at all with the letter or the spirit of the scripture, nor does it speak to what has always been the one core strength of our republic--the willingness of Christians to take their Christianity with them when they enter into their public responsibilities.

You are attempting to justify the unjustifiable; with many words, but with no substance. That does not surprise me in the least, because that has been the hallmark of the Arnold Schwarzenegger for Governor campaign.

God was gracious enough to give us, and has allowed us to keep, a republican form of government; one in which the citizen is the sovereign. Your choice of representative is your primary means of expressing what you believe.

In this case, your actions are speaking so loud that your words are meaningless; because you are exercising your franchise on behalf of a godless liberal agenda; one that despises and wishes to destroy every principle we believe in.

[strela]

"I pray thee cease thy counsel, which falls into my ears as profitless as water in a sieve".

[blackbart1]

A big BUMP for right thinking!

[bejaykay]

you said, "Anyone who has already demonstrated leadership failures and failed to keep recent promises is already suspect in my book. Someone who has failed to count the costs properly is a failed leader." To which I respond, any antilife 'leader' who may otherwise have good qualities should be disqualified. I have nothing against Arnold. He may be a great father and husband. (IMHO)He is not fit to lead because he believes that abortion is okay in much the same way that a proslavery candidate should have been disqualified were I to have lived in that time. I wish you well in your business, but honestly think that this should not take precedence over the life issue. I am not defending McClintock. I don't know anything about him.

As for Peter, Paul and others inspired by the Holy Spirit, I agree heartily. My point is that you should choose based on your best knowledge. God can make someone who does not look like a good leader what he wants. I am thinking (though I could be wrong) that regardless of whether HE chooses to convert Arnold, or even Gray Davis into a prolife politician, your responsiblility in your decision is not to choose the best leader but the one most faithful to God's plan for life.

Disclaimer:This is all my opinion and is not divinely inspired (that I know of) and is meant for your prayerful consideration only.
God Bless

[EternalVigilance]

"I pray thee cease thy counsel, which falls into my ears as profitless as water in a sieve".

That does not create quite the flattering picture of you that you might think it does...

[EDINVA]

AMEN !!!!!!!!!

The sanctimonious attacks are hardly Christian.

[Rabid Dog]

Ping. BibChr's vanity for your reading pleasure.

[BibChr]

You'll find that, often, the title of an essay kind of clues you in to what it'll be about.

Regards,
Dan

[strela]

That does not create quite the flattering picture of you that you might think it does.

Yes, you do look rather ridiculous with your mouth open and your finger wagging. Rather like a harridan fishwife.

[kezekiel]

Dan: Thanks for your thoughts. I've shared them with my wife, who is convicted that she must vote for McClintock, while I'm incined to vote for Ahnuld for all the reasons you've listed.

The vitriol of this debate reminds me of why I remain a Christian despite attending Church. I despise these controversies that seem to bring out the worst in us while providing little in the way of enlightenment... your post being a notable exception.

[shellylet]

I didn't mean you specifically, "you" was meant in general terms.
My apologies that it came across the wrong way!

[Wait4Truth]

You always speak from the heart, Dan. That's what makes you so special. Here, you have also spoken with eloquence and logic. May your words touch the souls of others. God bless.