Plenty of irony in Plame affair

Manchester Union Leader ^ | October 5, 2003 | Bernadette Malone

[MissouriForBush]

Why is it that you have all the documented, verifiable sources, but those of us un-Americans who disagree with you don't? Why do others only have talking points, yet you possess The Truth and are on a higher moral ground? I've reviewed the same stuff/sources you refer to, but I draw completely different conclusions than you do.

Gee, you sound just like a liberal Democrat.

[Eldorado431]

Having worked for Novak for five years, I know him to be an exceptionally savvy journalist who doesn’t allow himself to be used as a pawn of any administration.

"No, he prefers to allow himself to be used by FBI spies named Robert Hanssen. Not only that, but he's been used by Karl Rove in the past to plant false stories."

atlayann, I am interested in evidence you have about Rove using Novak to Write False Stories. Also evidence about Novak being used by FBI Spies. Do you have any proof of this? Or is that information you’re own speculation?

[lugsoul]

Good one. Now go find one - ONE - comment I have made to the effect that Bush had anything to do with this.

Oh, that's right. You can't. All you can do is sling unsupported crap.

[Grampa Dave]

Keep burying yourself.

[lugsoul]

You have cited to NO sources except for your own "common sense." You state opinion as fact and then run away like a child when asked to back it up.

Now, why don't you tell us all your suppositions about Brewster-Jennings & Associates. You know what that is, don't you? Plame's front company, which is now useless? Tell us all how Plame ran around telling everyone that her stationery and business cards were fakes? How she made jokes about her fake yellow pages listing? Come on. You like to throw accusations - let's see some substance.

Whoops. Guess your talking points memo doesn't address that.

[lugsoul]

Oh, that's good. Since you don't have a response, you just keep slinging crap. You call me a Bush-hater for pointing our the lies you sling on this story, but you can't point to ONE single solitary statement where I've pinned this on Bush. Not ONE. You are lame.

[chudogg]

Irony No. 3: Who are the fiercest defenders of CIA operatives and fiercest critics of “freedom of the press” now? U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., Harvard officials, and the editorial pages of the liberal Washington Post and New York Times.

So true. A few days ago i strolled to DU to see their take on this. One poster had an avatar of a the letters CIA but in the the font they use for CNN. Making somekind of implication that the CIA controls CNN.

That same poster had a comment going on and on about how Plame and the CIA were defending this country's security, and the Bush admin were undermining it! And directly below their comment was the graphic ridiculing the CIA.

I was think to myself "and my the only one who see's the irony of this?"

[Calvin Locke]

Can't remember where I heard/saw it originally, but Googling on 'wilson cia cocktail' eventually brought me to a Jonah Golberg comment at www.nro.com:

THE LEAK "SCANDAL" [Jonah Goldberg]

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[last line] Wilson's wife is a desk jockey and much of the Washington cocktail circuit knew that already.

[lugsoul]

Yep - Goldberg says that. Doesn't make it true. First, his description of her job is contradicted by the Agency. Second, he apparently wasn't one of the ones who already knew what she did. Neither was Novak. Nor any other reporter on the "cocktail circuit." Nor any of the Wilson friends. Got anything else?

[CyberAnt]

This is what Rush said. The Bush admin has always been characterized by the media as being exceptionally tight-lipped. For this attack to be about leaks is particularly laughable.

[Calvin Locke]

Doesn't make it true.

True, but neither is Wilson's claim about Karl Rove.

Wilson did publish his bio with his wife's maiden name. From what I understand, one of the spy/diplomat games is to use the spouse. The CIA would not have been too happy with the publishing, if for nothing else, fly-by-night retributionists targeting diplomats and family.

The point is obviously moot if the leak of name in order to harass/target comes from an opposing government playing the game.

IMO, the leak came from the anti-administration or anti-American 5th column that seems to exist within both Foggy Bottom and DoD.

In any case, Wilson should cough up the names of the people that "told him" or go seek psychiatric help.

Lies and innuendo may be SOP within the beltway, but tying up the government over unsubstantiated charges is another thing.

If he has evidence on Rove, then nail him.

If not, I'm sure he and Gary Sick could go in to business together.

[lugsoul]

I don't think I said Rove did it. But I haven't seen any evidence that the leak was anyone other than the "senior administration officials" already cited.

[piasa]

No pics of Val yet?

Only of the back of her head while she was shaking hands with Bubba.

[piasa]

Joe Wilson had the requisite security clearance to receive that information.

How would Val know that on the first kiss? What did she do, call up Foley at 2 AM on a Friday night to ask if Wilson was cleared? what's she doing revealing her "cover" to a guy while on a date? How professional is that?

[piasa]

No one is defending any "unAmerican act," and Wilson himself was the source of the first kiss thing.

Wilson had no "need to know," by the way.

[MissouriForBush]

You're just mad because we've got your number. See ya'!

[SevenDaysInMay]

Was Val standing in front of Bubba?

[PhilDragoo]

You must remember this
A kiss is still a kiss
A spy is just a spy
The undercover stings apply
As Plame goes by

And when two leakers woo
They still say, "I love you."
Yet plausibly deny
No matter what a Deep Throat sings
As Plame goes by

*Dead drops and turncoats
Never out of date
Moles full of passion
Jealousy and hate
Woman tips hand
And man must out his mate
On this you can rely

It's still the cover story
Sell books for love and glory
A case of do or die
The world will always welcome leakers
As Plame goes by

[Grampa Dave]

You should copyright your As the Plame goes by!

[piasa]

Yes; to her credit she wasn't kneeling.