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The Sweet Mint Tea Pot Dome Scandal
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| 10/01/03
| Rich Galen
Posted on 10/01/2003 2:53:35 AM PDT by kattracks
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posted on
10/01/2003 2:53:35 AM PDT
by
kattracks
To: kattracks
While I don't necessarily disagree with the basic premise here [that this is a tempest in a sweet-mint-tea-pot-dome], there's a glaring fallacy that I can't bring myself to leave unnoticed..
The person accused must have known "the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States." (Ah. Drat. There goes the case.)
Well, we don't know that since we don't know whether the person who revealed the info to Bob Novak or anyone else would've known Valerie Plame's precise status with the Agency. If the official in question knew she was an undercover case officer with the Directorate of Operations, then it inherently follows that this person knew "the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States."
* Robert Novak, the columnist who wrote the original column about Wilson's wife, said, "According to a confidential source at the CIA, Mrs. Wilson was an analyst, not a spy, not a covert operative, and not in charge of undercover operatives."
Here's the transparent fallacy: Bob Novak isn't the person accused under the Intelligence Agents Identity Act, but rather whatever officials Novak spoke with. It is those officials - not Bob Novak - whose knowledge is relevant from a legal standpoint.
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posted on
10/01/2003 3:42:28 AM PDT
by
AntiGuv
(When the countdown hits zero, something's gonna happen..)
To: kattracks
Allow me to be the first.
This Clintonian article did everything except ask what the meaning of "is" is. It doesn't matter what you think of Wilson, going after his wife was an incredibly bone-headed thing to do. Worse than that, it was just plain wrong.
Regardless of wht his wife's title is, it is becomin apparent that she was more than just some "nobody" clerk. Even if she isn't the cloak and dagger, super-dooper, undercover spy that the Dems want her to be, exposing her served absolutely no useful purpose in terms of our national security and may very well have caused some damage. The mere notion that WH officials now feel as if they have the right to out CIA employees is damage enough.
Arguing over the strict legality of the move is beside the point. This is about "doing the right thing." Someone should be, at the very least, fired and publicly castigated for this and if DOJ sees criminal conduct they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Bush, for his part, needs to prove that he doesn't have any Clinton in him and force the perp to face the music. He should not tolerate this sort of stupidity from his people which is exactly the sort of scheitt that Clinton pulled all the time.
3
posted on
10/01/2003 3:54:35 AM PDT
by
12B
To: AntiGuv
Make that Intelligence Identities Protection Act.
4
posted on
10/01/2003 4:01:53 AM PDT
by
AntiGuv
(When the countdown hits zero, something's gonna happen..)
To: AntiGuv
![](http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030930/i/1064950000.2819014775.jpg)
"What the hell do you mean, 'the leaker was a Democrat'.
Lie damn you because the California election is in only six days."
5
posted on
10/01/2003 4:06:00 AM PDT
by
Diogenesis
(If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
To: Diogenesis
I have to admit that's pretty darn funny, even though this has nothing to do with the Cali election (and Arnold's gonna win, either way..)
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posted on
10/01/2003 4:08:27 AM PDT
by
AntiGuv
(When the countdown hits zero, something's gonna happen..)
To: Diogenesis
Boy, Pelosi really looks strung out.
7
posted on
10/01/2003 4:11:04 AM PDT
by
sd-joe
To: 12B
This Clintonian article did everything except ask what the meaning of "is" is. It doesn't matter what you think of Wilson, going after his wife was an incredibly bone-headed thing to do. Me thinks you have been hoisted by your own petard. Who is "going after" Wilson's wife? If she were not some undercover operative but only an employee, how is the mention of that "going after" her? It had previously been reported, during the "sixteen words" flap, that it was his wife who suggested that Wilson be sent on this mission. The real bonehead, perhaps another Clinton appointed political operative in the CIA, was the one who actually took that advice.
If I mentioned to someone where you worked, would you consider that "going after" you? The information was already public knowledge anyway.
The Democrats throw charges at Bush at the drop of a hat, greatly exaggerating the slightest little things, knowing that if they trumpet it loud enough some idiots will believe it. Did they have you in mind?
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posted on
10/01/2003 4:19:12 AM PDT
by
Mind-numbed Robot
(Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
To: 12B
Suppose someone in the DemocRAT Party who is still embedded in the wainscoting of the Bush Govt. did this?
Not to overly tinfoil, but I smell a very big rat here.
Regards,
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posted on
10/01/2003 4:21:34 AM PDT
by
Jimmy Valentine
(DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
To: 12B
You are still assuming that someone in the White House blabbed.
I find that highly doubtful. Even Novak says that a CIA employee told him, as well as that he already knew. Wilson even published that his wife was a CIA employee.
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posted on
10/01/2003 4:28:14 AM PDT
by
jimtorr
To: AntiGuv
If the official in question knew she was an undercover case officer with the Directorate of Operations, then it inherently followsExcept that we don't know that she was any such. This only appears (correct me) in the Newsday report from July, from an unidentified source.
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posted on
10/01/2003 4:28:24 AM PDT
by
Stultis
To: Stultis
The Justice Department would not have opened an investigation if she were not an undercover case officer.
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posted on
10/01/2003 4:35:21 AM PDT
by
AntiGuv
(When the countdown hits zero, something's gonna happen..)
To: sd-joe; Diogenesis
Not only does Pelosi look strung out in that photo, they showed a clip of her on the news, and she appeared to be tremoring or something, and blinking like she was trying to fake sobriety. Both my husband and I said immediately "she looks strung out", so it is interesting that you made the same observation.
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posted on
10/01/2003 4:41:19 AM PDT
by
alwaysconservative
("If you can't change your mind, are you sure you still have one?" Maxine)
To: kattracks
"If the CIA identified Mrs. Wilson as an employee, then the "affirmative measures to conceal" test was clearly not met. "
If she was covert or undercover, should the CIA have disavowed any knowledge of her being associated with the agency? According to Novak, they acknowledged she worked for them.
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posted on
10/01/2003 4:49:46 AM PDT
by
mass55th
To: sd-joe
Pelosi really looks strung out.Looks like it's time for another Botox treatment is in the near future for Pelosi. She needs some serious help. One paper bag should do!
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posted on
10/01/2003 4:53:08 AM PDT
by
Arrowhead1952
(I am ashamed the dixie chicks are from Texas!)
To: 12B
To tie all of the above posts together, Valerie Plame put her husband on the CIA payroll when he was assigned to go drink his sweet mint tea.
"I spent the next eight days drinking sweet mint tea and meeting with dozens of people: current government officials, former government officials, people associated with the country's uranium business."
Although she was "outed" as the supposed female James Bond,so was he as an avid democrat ,and,[ incidentally, the thousand or so bucks to Kerry was probably part of of the princely 'special assignment ' bonus he received as part of the CIA $ package.]
Pelosi is aghast in the photo above.
It is because she just learned that Ariana "outed" herself as the consumate Democrat under cover in the California recall in which she had posed as an Independent choice for governor...
[Her debate with Arnold ,et al, was hilarious..]
To: 12B
We're all missing a larger point.
Just about everybody in D.C. knew about her working for the CIA. It was widely known, so I doubt if she did much more than a desk job.
Her job was certainly no secret. They are having to go to extreme lengths to make something out of this.
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posted on
10/01/2003 5:12:54 AM PDT
by
capt. norm
(You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you.)
To: Arrowhead1952
One paper bag should do! I don't know, might take two.
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posted on
10/01/2003 5:23:55 AM PDT
by
sd-joe
To: sd-joe
might take two.That's right. One for her and one for you, just in case hers falls off.
19
posted on
10/01/2003 5:32:30 AM PDT
by
Arrowhead1952
(I am ashamed the dixie chicks are from Texas!)
To: sd-joe
Boy, does she.....looks like she's aged 20 years in the past week.....Hillary must be on her case....
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posted on
10/01/2003 5:53:20 AM PDT
by
smiley
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