The Neoconservative Cabal

AEI ^ | 9/3/03 | Joshua Muravchik

[WOSG]

Here's my personal assessment of paleocons: They're the intellectual heirs of the Know-nothings, Copperheads and the America-Firsters. In other words they're nativist, sympathetic to the Confederacy and isolationist.

It seems that is at least true description of the Rockford folks, with their animus to MLK, Lincoln, Jews, immigrants, etc., if not others who wear a 'paleo-con' label.

WOSG, a Pro-war-on-terror anti-Jihadist traditionalist small Govt Conservative.

[nopardons]

Demand away, silly...LOL

I merely posted a factual observationm and a more or less direct quote.

Now, since YOU are jubilant over your SS and hardly ever refrain from telling everyone here that you are delighted that they are paying for YOU , please don't try to engage me in your little " game ".

[WOSG]

Clowns that think democracy is our future. I'm a believer in our republic. ... Democratic principles have a part to play in our constitutional republic.

Wouldnt it be a good thing if the world's soveriegn nations, you know like China, Zimbabwe, etc., became more like the U.S. and adopted those "Democratic principles" and the insitutions of Republican Government? Wouldnt it be a good thing if all the worlds population lived in a country where the Government was elected, Government power was limited, the people had human rights and constitutionally-guaranteed liberties, and property rights were respected?

In other words, wouldnt it be a good thing if other non-democratic countries were reformed to be like the US?

[GOPJ]

Thanks for the ping...

[WOSG]

"No, it makes you a patriot in the tradition of Samuel Adams and Benjamin Franklin, who both sought to export the American Revolution."

Thanks.

And G W Bush's recent exporting of American/Western-style representative Government to a country that desperately needs it - Iraq - is within that tradition.

[1rudeboy]

Conservatives need to ask [themselves] the question: Are you an anti-Islamofascist in this war the same way you were an anti-Communist in the Cold War? Do you support the war on terror? How and why? And if not, why not?

Bears repeating. And it points to why some conservatives, such as Raimondo and his cohort, seek to diminish the threat posed by the Soviet Union to this day.

[WOSG]

I have tried, repeatedly, heatedly, and without, I'm most sorry to say, to get the correct deffinition/useage of the term " neocon ", used here.So, in order to impress upon those, who have so destroyed the term, I resort to the factual representation of what their misuse has done. Ergo ... RONALD REAGAN IS A NEOCON.

You have reached a logical conclusion. By the logic of the anti-neo-cons, Reagan was pursuing 'neo-con' policies.

Now, you and I and those who invented the term know, with certainty, that this is so large a stretch, as to be laughable. OTOH, if this term is to be misused, then what the heck ... I'll play their game and show them up and in spades. :-)

It's hardly laughable, but logical. The attacks on "neo-con" policies excoriate an interventionist and liberation-based goals that are EXACTLY LIKE Reagan's policies in Afghanistan and wrt Contras, in Grenada, etc. Reagan was interventionist, pro-freedom, flexible, and had a goal of 'liberation' and national change against the Communists, just as G W Bush in the War on Terror seeks to change pro-Jihadist Govts into anti-Jihadist ones. Reagan sought to end the Cold War by *winning in*, that meant defeating Communism. Amazingly, he did! Bush seeks to repeat that wrt the Jihadists. An easier but still long and v. challenging task.

To attack "neo-con" foreign policy is to attack the Reagan foreign policy.

[WOSG]

If anyone figures out a way of how to get America out of the Social Security trap we are in, it will likely be some "neo-con" policy wonk at AEI or Heritage. Bush & Co. will package and market the solution to American people.

Just being an "aginner" on SS, without thought as to what happens to the 50 million depending on it in the upcoming decade is the third rail.

[nopardons]

Thanks...couldn't have said it better myself.

The neocon bashers are rather like the French ... surrender monkeys.

Isolationists don't know/understand history, human nature, politics, nor much of anything else.

W 's presidency/administration/policies ( foreign and taxation ),are the direct heir/descendant of Reagan's two terms.

[GeorgiaYankee]

bookmark for later reading

[GOPcapitalist]

Reagan would only agree with you out of modesty, not out of balanced perspective.

I think he'd agree with me ideologically and historically as well. No doubt what he did was great, but Goldwater was the trailblazer who made it all possible and set the ball into motion. Reagan always knew and celebrated that fact.

[JohnGalt]

This was my favorite line and the most revealing of the entire piece:

"So ardent was I myself on the issue that Bosnia was the chief of several points impelling me to support Bill Clinton against Bush in 1992"


He voted for Clinton over 'Bosnia'-- some conservative these phonies are.

[jmc813]

Piling on to the "neo-cons" is a bunch of cr*p too.

Why? From my experience, they've proven themselves to be left of center on almost all domestic issues. Even if they were proven to be 100% correct on foreign policy issues, they're still bad for this country overal.

[jmc813]

Bill Parcells puts greater stock in those things than most coaches.

As a Jets fan, I would prefer if you not mention him today. :-)

[jmc813]

The Washington Times is owned by the Moonies, who are rabid anti-Semites.

They're rabid anti-Christians too.

[jmc813]

Your post #121 perfectly sums up my views on the neo-cons more eloquently than I could put it.

[Stultis]

Barney Rubble.

LOL!

(However I think he's just severely undermedicated.)

[jmc813]

Ronald Reagan is the definition of neocon.

A neocon would never say "Government is not the solution, it's the problem". Mind you, I don't consider Reagan to have been a paleo-con either.

[jmc813]

I heard, with my two shell like ears, Barry talk and he said, at the rally I was at, that he'd do away with Social Security.

That's supposed to be a bad thing?

[elbucko]

So - Why should you trust 'neo-conservatives' like Winston, Ronnie and George W.?

So the short answer to an even shorter question is that; "neo-cons" are examples of being socialist when young, because they have a heart and conservatives when they become "mature", because they a head? Oh, please! As famous as that line is, it is still a contradiction.

I just don't equate Pearl and Wolfowitz with Reagan and Churchill. Being a Liberal in the first part of the last Century, until the 30's, does not correlate to being a socialist in the 60's and a conservative in the double oughts.