California recall: Does one man hold key? [McClintock]

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[Tamzee]

Too late... now covered in Calamine ;-)

[buwaya]

Politics follows the culture. If the one is sick, the other is merely a reflection of it.

Change peoples hearts first, and then you will have the politicians you like.

I have said often - people complain a lot, but they don't truly put their substance where their mouths are.

This is an immensely rich state, and country. If necessary, we could spend as much again as we pay in taxes privately, to change the culture. As a for instance, we could make the public school system irrelevant for a fraction of what we pay for it, just by fully funding good, moral private religious schools. All this money is spent on vanities anyway.

[Texasforever]

Whatever. I don't want to play.

I thought not.

[EternalVigilance]

Hehehe...

[EternalVigilance]

Well, it's a silly game.

[EternalVigilance]

I completely agree.

[Texasforever]

Well, it's a silly game

What game? You are the one self-righteously excoriating every Arnold supporter as tacit abortionists while your candidate has avoided the issue like tap water in Mexico. If McClintock does not feel strongly enough about abortion to make it a central issue in his campaign is it not reasonable to question his commitment to the cause?

[Spiff]

You and others are missing the point. The Governor of California has some power over abortion policies in his state, but not much. But that isn't the point. The point is that candidate's beliefs on the issue of whether killing babies is tolerable or not is a key indicator of the candidate's character and his beliefs on other important issues. If one does not believe in the inalienable right to life of each individual then how can one believe in other inalienable rights? If you can negotiate away the right of a child to be free from being brutally murdered just because the child is hidden by a thin wall of flesh, it is easy to negotiate away other significant rights. The approval of killing children for convenience is an insurmountable flaw in any person making them unworthy of any political office.

[Texasforever]

The Governor of California has some power over abortion policies in his state, but not much. But that isn't the point. The point is that candidate's beliefs on the issue of whether killing babies is tolerable or not is a key indicator of the candidate's character and his beliefs on other important issues.

Then why isn't McClintock using the campaign to put abortion into the public square?

[EternalVigilance]

No one ever said that in an election you have to talk about abortion every five minutes.

For you to make some kind of a demand that Tom does or he is somehow a hypocrite, is disingenuous--especially considering Arnold's support for abortion-on-demand.

[buwaya]

Because the issue is a loser even for McClintock ?

In California it is useless to argue politically about abortion. If you have any resources, and feel strongly enough about the matter, get to work on your friends and neighbors. It starts there.

[EternalVigilance]

You and others are missing the point. The Governor of California has some power over abortion policies in his state, but not much. But that isn't the point. The point is that candidate's beliefs on the issue of whether killing babies is tolerable or not is a key indicator of the candidate's character and his beliefs on other important issues. If one does not believe in the inalienable right to life of each individual then how can one believe in other inalienable rights? If you can negotiate away the right of a child to be free from being brutally murdered just because the child is hidden by a thin wall of flesh, it is easy to negotiate away other significant rights. The approval of killing children for convenience is an insurmountable flaw in any person making them unworthy of any political office.

Very well said.

[Texasforever]

No one ever said that in an election you have to talk about abortion every five minutes.

Why? You of all people should be DEMANDING that he talk about it as his main issue. As to hypocritical, I have as much right to demand a "no abortion" pledge from the "real conservative' as those that demand a "no tax" pledge from the "rino". The fact is that even McClintock is smart enough not to run for state minister.

[EternalVigilance]

The fact is that even McClintock is smart enough not to run for state minister.

Of course he is. So what's your point?

[EternalVigilance]

You of all people should be DEMANDING that he talk about it as his main issue.

Why? That would be stupid.

[Texasforever]

Why? That would be stupid.

Woah. So stopping abortion should take a back seat to politics?

[EternalVigilance]

As to hypocritical, I have as much right to demand a "no abortion" pledge from the "real conservative' as those that demand a "no tax" pledge from the "rino".

That is some of the strangest logic I've ever seen..

[Texasforever]

That is some of the strangest logic I've ever seen..

Then help me out. If Tom would be stupid to make the elimination of abortion a central campaign issue because it is not a winning issue how is he any different from Arnold?

[EternalVigilance]

Woah. So stopping abortion should take a back seat to politics?

Even Jesus told his disciples 'There are many things I have to tell you that you are not yet ready to bear'.

Stopping abortion is a function of politics.

But you sure aren't going to end it by electing pro-aborts like Arnold. He will only strengthen and prolong the practice.

[montag813]

"Tom made a promise to me that he, in fact, wouldn't be a spoiler," Mr. Issa said. "So the pressure is on Tom to decide whether that has become the reality, that he might be becoming a spoiler."

Will you keep your promise Tom?