California recall: Does one man hold key? [McClintock]

Christian Science Monitor ^ | 9-25 | Christian Science Monitor

[Flashman_at_the_charge]

Is the pro-life stance the only valuable portion of the GOP platform?

I suppose it all depends on whether on not you've been born.

[Tamzee]

Is the pro-life stance the only valuable portion of the GOP platform? I suppose it all depends on whether on not you've been born.

Can you actually answer my question or just dance around it... Is the pro-life stance the ONLY VALUABLE portion of the GOP platform?

[68 grunt]

Man, your handler's must be really worried to be draggin y'll outta sleep! You know that the Republican Rennaisance will sweep the nation!

[68 grunt]

Some of us won't soon forget who the defectors were, either.

Some of us won't soon forget who the disruptors were, either.

[Tamzee]

I disagree... we'll see, won't we :-)

[Paloma_55]

I think you are overestimating the value of dirt on Arnold. He is not running on a "family values" platform. The people that are currently polling for him are NOT the right wing of the Repub party. Some of us are there, but only due to our pragmatic realization that Tom is not going to close 20 points in the next two weeks when Arnold has ten times the money and *ALL* of the Republican establishment behind him.

Today, he picked up Issa and Simon's endorsements.
Yesterday it was Brulte.

It is starting to look like Tom *can't* spoil this race despite his best efforts. If Arnold wins, Tom is toast. If Arnold looses, Tom is bread crumbs.

He should have gotten out while the getting was good. At this point he will either be a successful spoiler, or a failed spoiler. Either way, he will not win.

I am as right-wing, Christian Conservative as you can get, but I recognized early that the Republican Party was not only going to support Arnold, they were calling all of the big contributors and telling them not to contribute to Tom.

Tom's money has been from three sources.

#1 - Indians who want to build more casinos.
#2 - Stop the car tax - Bustamante style cheating on the CFR laws.
#3 - People like you who have not had the good fortune of waking from the dream yet.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I know where you are. I was a Simon supporter and I went through it about 4 weeks ago.

[EternalVigilance]

Without the right to life, all the other God-given, unalienable rights protected by our founding documents are meaningless.

How can the dead ever enjoy them??

[EternalVigilance]

Some of us won't soon forget who the disruptors were, either.

How can you forget? You see him every morning when you shave...that is if you are old enough to need to.

[buwaya]

Then there is no solution at all, because until the culture changes there will never be sufficient conservative political clout to elect someone like McClintock.

I think you may have misunderstood the true conservative task - it isn't primarily political, it is cultural. Some useful things to do, that are practical and have an effect -

1. If you are religious, learn Spanish and preach among the immigrants. They are ready to hear you, a lot of them.

2. Contribute money to private religious schools, so they can offer scholarships, and promote these schools as much as possible. This is my personal path.

3. Open missions among the poor, or support those who do.

Conservatives must become humble, approachable, and open to all. It is the worst thing possible to be contemptuous, prideful, and despairing.

As for the rest, what you need is to control the legislature to the extent possible, even if you have to compromise.

[Tamzee]

Can you actually answer the question, though?

IS there ANYTHING else valuable about the GOP platform other than pro-life?

[Flashman_at_the_charge]

No it isn’t, but it is by far the most valuable. I’d rather pay triple the car tax than support a person who sees no wrong in the premeditated murder of unborn children.

PS: I’m watching Arnold on telly telling me it’s time for the Indians to “pay their fair share”. Sound familiar?

[68 grunt]

People tend to vote the way the want to vote.

[Texasforever]

Are they going to reveal that his father was a Nazi or someting?

[massadvj]

Man, your handler's must be really worried to be draggin y'll outta sleep!

I think it's the Ahnold supporters losing sleep. McClintock is closing the gap, Ahnold has gained nothing, and the only case you all can make is 'a vote for McClintock is a vote for Bustamonte."

Given that there is no difference between the two on any issue you can name, a vote for Ahnold is a vote for Joe Lieberman.

You know that the Republican Rennaisance will sweep the nation

Oh goodie. More tariffs and out-of-control spending and education bills and farm subsidies and campaign incumbent protection and unemployment extensions and AIDS relief for Africa and troops for Liberia and Medicare prescription drugs. Lucky me.

[68 grunt]

The wave will consist of those recognizing the duplicity and wrong that the democrats have perpetrated. Democrats will lose in droves. Republicans can right the wrong, at the behest of the people. It will start with Arnie the catalyst, devoring Sacramento, pointing fingers and naming names. He will do this before the people in righteous indignation. California will turn around faster than any of you would dare to hope. The nation will follow, as they always have, California's trend! Dignity and reponsiblity in government.

Yeah, yeah, I sleep with a Bible next to my bed and a superman doll under my pillow. ;^)

[rodeo-mamma]

There is no virtue at all in being a stubborn ass.

I would like to know where McClintock's belief in God lies, since it is apparant that McClintock is so driven by his own desires that I doubt even God gets a word in edge wise.

That's not my idea of the ideal leader of the conservative movement. And quite frankly, I'm shocked that more conservatives have not stopped to consider this point of view, being that they claim to be Christian.

I'd like to know where their faith is, being that they see NOTHING AT ALL wrong with a man being so self-driven to the point where his head alone is at least a mile thick.

[Texasforever]

McClintock is closing the gap,

Hey Baghdad Bob, glad to see you got a new gig!

[Flashman_at_the_charge]

Several of them said that.

PS: I'd appreciate a link, if only for my own self interest.

[Tamzee]

Thanks for the honest answer about the abortion issue.

Regarding the "fair share"... he is comparing California to other states that require the Indian Casinos to pay taxes. I wouldn't criticize him for using a liberal phrase on Californians, either, it seems to be the only language the majority speaks.

[EternalVigilance]

IS there ANYTHING else valuable about the GOP platform other than pro-life?

Of course there is.

The agenda of the mainstream of the party--the people who construct the platform--is very, very wide. It covers the broad range of public policy issues which confront us. And don't kid yourself, the mainstream of the GOP is rocksolid conservative on all of those issues.

But whether you like it, or whether I like it, the abortion question is the central moral question of our time.

We as a people have always respected the priceless nature of each and every individual person who is made in the image of God. That is what separates this country from most others. We value the individual.

All you have to do is look at history to see the progression in other nations of how destruction comes on a people--first the loss of reverence for God--then the loss of respect for human life---and the last to disappear under the tyrant's boot is liberty.