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What Is Man?
Various | September 25, 2003 | betty boop

Posted on 09/24/2003 11:25:56 PM PDT by betty boop

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To: Eternal_Bear
Didn't Jesus say "Ye will become like gods"?

Gee. I thought this line was spoken by the serpent!

521 posted on 10/13/2003 7:14:24 PM PDT by betty boop (God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world. -- Paul Dirac)
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To: PatrickHenry
Once upon a time, in a xagaly far far away ...

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are. The olny iprmoetnt tihng is that frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe.

522 posted on 10/15/2003 11:36:24 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: William Terrell
No need. It seems that you think there's a need. If so, please explain.
523 posted on 10/16/2003 11:55:21 AM PDT by Zon
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To: Zon
If so, please explain.

Nobody dies. New people are produced, who don't die. Mortality rates keep population expansion from being exponential.

524 posted on 10/16/2003 2:52:46 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell
We can grasp a very limited understanding of but a very few advanced technologies we'll have 100 years from now. In that time span Earth's population may multiply seven fold. How many thousands of years would it take to grow exponentially and what technologies would we have invented? Considering the curve technology is advancing on we may be creating universes. If so, that's one thing volitional/conscious beings living elsewhere in the Universe are most probably doing with their greatly advanced technology. 

Volitional/conscious beings that live with integrated honesty will always solve the problems that thwart their immortality. They would never initiate force, fraud or coercion against any person and certainly not forced nonfertility.

Every volitional/conscious being living with integrated honesty is a huge benefit to civilization and produces more values than he or she consumes. Furthermore, when living forever is really forever each person will eventually create/produce more values than all values combined that were present at their time of birth.

525 posted on 10/17/2003 2:57:12 PM PDT by Zon
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To: Zon
Suppose we start with 4 billion when immortality is achieved. Let's say that half of those are women who can bear a child. We'll assume each bears only one child to add a fudge factor and remain conservative in our estimates.

Now we have 6 billion. Lets let 18 years (another fudge factor) pass for those to mature and assume we now have 3 billion women. Each one bears a child.

Now we have 9 billion. 18 years. 4.5 billion women, each one bears a child.

13.5 billion, lets add another fudge and round off to 13. 18 years. 18 years. 6.5 billion women, each one has a child.

Now we have 19.5, round off to 19. 18 years. 9.5 biooion women, each bears a child.

Now we have 28.5 billion, round to 28. 18 years. 14 billion women, each bears child.

32 billion. 18 years. 16 billion women.

48 billion.

About a century has passed. But actually much less than a century has passed because of the overuse here of fudge factors. It really starts getting exponential from there. 72, 18 years, 108, 18 years, 162, 18 years, 243. . .

All these billions will not be volitional/conscious beings that live with integrated honesty. It would be nice to believe that all human beings would have achieved that pinnacle of spiritual evolution in less than a century, but they haven't changed significantly in the last 100 centuries.

526 posted on 10/17/2003 3:42:56 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Phaedrus
I cannot say that betty boop sees it the same way that I do, but that’s my concept of physicality.

Plaid huh? We are definitely viewing the issue at a much deeper level than Tegmark's description of the frog (or anything else) as an intertwined "bundle of pasta!" (How I do love his paper on multiverses, A-G!) Amazing, but I can imaginatively visualize this "plaid," too. Maybe call me nutz, but the visualization enables one to "see" that physicality is essentially geometrical.

527 posted on 10/21/2003 6:32:29 AM PDT by betty boop (God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world. -- Paul Dirac)
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To: betty boop
Thank you so very much for your encouragement and especially your agreement concerning the geometric nature of physicality!

After your suggestion of an extra time dimension, I've been doing some rereading of Tegmark, Grandpierre, Penrose, the Space-Time-Matter consortium and Cumrun Vafa. It is increasingly clear to me that the key to the riddle is geometric.

528 posted on 10/21/2003 12:50:41 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
It is increasingly clear to me that the key to the riddle is geometric.

A-G, it probably won't surprise you to learn that Grandpierre has studied and written on the Pythagorean basis of Plato's speculation on the structure of consciousness, psyche. Of course, the work is all in Magyar, so it won't do us any good! (What a strange and lovely language....)

529 posted on 10/21/2003 1:39:19 PM PDT by betty boop (God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world. -- Paul Dirac)
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To: betty boop
That is absolutely fascinating, betty boop! What are the chances Grandpierre will be translating that into English? Or perhaps just the abstract?
530 posted on 10/21/2003 1:46:04 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
That is absolutely fascinating, betty boop! What are the chances Grandpierre will be translating that into English? Or perhaps just the abstract?

I dunno, A-G. I'll ask him. (I'd love to see it, too!) Problem is, every time we have a chance to chat I'm always imploring him to translate something! :^) I feel that I'm burdening a very busy man with all these supplications!

The good news is, I understand that he's well into the English translation of The Book of the Living Universe, and that it will contain some substantial new material not seen in the Magyar edition, which continues to enjoy brisk sales in Hungary.

531 posted on 10/21/2003 2:05:38 PM PDT by betty boop (God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world. -- Paul Dirac)
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To: betty boop
the work is all in Magyar

That doesn't appear to be Indo-European. It must be very strange to any other modern ear from Wales to India and from Russia to Spain.

532 posted on 10/21/2003 2:11:03 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: betty boop
LOLOL! Poor Grandpierre! I guess that's the price of having a 'following' across the pond...

I'm thrilled to hear he is making such progress on translating his book! Please be sure and let me know where to order it, hot off the press.

533 posted on 10/21/2003 2:13:45 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: RightWhale; Alamo-Girl
That doesn't appear to be Indo-European.

RightWhale, I gather Magyar occupies a position in the evolution (and classification) of human languages rather similar to that of the Basque. These languages do not appear to share a common origin, or with any other human language for that matter.

This would be a really good time for any professional linguists out there, specializing in Central European languages, to weigh in.

534 posted on 10/21/2003 9:13:24 PM PDT by betty boop (God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world. -- Paul Dirac)
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To: betty boop
This discussion of the Magyar language is quite interesting. It leaves me wondering if any of the concepts will be difficult to translate?
535 posted on 10/21/2003 9:28:51 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
It leaves me wondering if any of the concepts will be difficult to translate?

Good question, A-G. I really don't know, but may have an opportunity to find out soon enough.

536 posted on 10/22/2003 7:52:03 AM PDT by betty boop (God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world. -- Paul Dirac)
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