Srebrenica Casualty Numbers Challenged by Experts as Politicized and Ethnically Divisive

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/decani/message/77206 ^ | September 20, 2003 | The International Strategic Studies Association (ISSA)

[F.J. Mitchell]

I just don't have the time to study every book written about every subject on earth, and determine which author is writing propaganda and which is writing truthfully and honestly, before making up my mind.

Not much, but not much less than what every other average person knows about the subject.

[judywillow]

As to Racak, Serb forces executed unarmed civilians, just like they had in Croatia and Bosnia before...

Bullshit. The whole world knows Racak was nothing more than a bunch of KLA/AlQuaeda terrorists losing a straight-up firefight, and you're basically a liar spreading disinformation on public forums.

[Hoplite]

Your world is obviously a bit smaller than mine, and populated by individuals not quite, how shall I put it, up to par, intellectually speaking.

Your whole schtick seems to consist of repeating lies, even after their exposed.

Not much of an act, is it?

If you want to go through the Racak fiasco, feel free to proceed.

Just don't be upset when you again find your face rubbed in your postings while you get your butt smacked to the sound of admonitions to not do it again.

[Hoplite]

I'm not suggesting you need to read every book, but following what has happened on this thread in regards to Srebrenica, Trnopolje, and what's going to happen as far as Racak should be a guide as far as providing an outline of which side is the biggest perpetrator of attempts to deceive the public in matters Balkan.

An alternate way to look at things is to find the biggest pushers of a certain perspective and see what their other positions are on subjects of interest - for instance, do you think that Living Marxism conforms to the ideology of a website such as FR?

If not, is it simply because different people have different opinions and that's ok, or is it because one side isn't being honest in their presentation of the issues and can only support their worldview through deceit?

[F.J. Mitchell]

I may have misunderstood the question, but if I had the choice of living in a world controlled by either Communists, Nazis or Muslims. Muslim would not be my first or second choice.

[judywillow]

I'm not Serbian and I don't even know any Serbs. The whole NATO thing in the balkans seemed strange enough to me during the mid 90s and when the situation in Kosovo came up in 98 I made it my business to go out on the internet and find out everything I could about it. The basic question was, even if everything we were reading was true and Serbs really were the ultimate assholes of the entire world, was it worth it? Was it worth risking the new relationship with Russia over?

What I found it from any number of sources was horrific. The west has been fed a steady diet of BS from the NATO and Clinton spin machines over a period of ten or twelve years, and American policies in the Balkans have much of the world viewing us as animals at present. In particular, nobody can figure out why we should worry about AlQuaeda after aiding them and their subsidiaries such as the KLA in taking over major sections of the Balkans.

[Hoplite]

It's not a question of who's controlling the world, it's a question of you vetting the sources you get information from before you lend that information any credence.

You don't have to believe any of the abovementioned groups - the Gulf War (the original one) was Muslim v. Muslim, but a clear picture has emerged of what happened there, thanks to third parties not directly involved in the fighting.

The same can be accomplished in regards to the Balkan wars, but again, I caution you to check out who's providing your information, with an eye to what their ultimate agendas are.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Okay. Actually we're not too far off. The key point here is that Bosnia is NOT "solidly Muslim." It's kinda sorta a solid majority in the Federation (where, at 48:17, they're maybe 3:1 over the Croats) but the Republika Srpska remains well over 90% Serb. Ahem.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

The whole NATO thing in the balkans seemed strange enough to me during the mid 90s and when the situation in Kosovo came up in 98 I made it my business to go out on the internet and find out everything I could about it.>>

Why don't you ask someone who was there, instead of going to Internet sources solely? After all--ahem--we ALL know that everything posted on the Internet HAS to be true. Riiiiight? Riiiiight.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Replace the word "Muslim" with the word "Jew" in your post and your little teeny mustache becomes much more visible.

The Muslims didn't do a damned thing to deserve what the Serb fascists did to them in 1992-1995. NOTHING.

And don't babble about WW2. The Bosnian and Croat Nazis who served Hitler were executed by the tens of thousands by Tito at the end of the war. There were almost none left before the war started.

[alternatediscourse]

Srebrenica is pure media hype, as Joan is correct. Did you notice all the desecretation of all things Serbian i.e the Churches, cemetaries i.e that were obliterated by the muslims? I saw it, they are either completely demolished or slowly being repaird at snails pace.

[alternatediscourse]

I found this site with a few pictures on the internet

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Srebrenica is pure media hype, as Joan is correct.>>

Alternatediscourse said it, therefore it must be true. His knowledge is Godlike and omniscient. We bow before the higher power.

Not.

Did you notice all the desecretation of all things Serbian i.e the Churches, cemetaries i.e that were obliterated by the muslims? I saw it, they are either completely demolished or slowly being repaird at snails pace.>>

Well, yeah, you don't mention the number of mosques destroyed by the Serbs during the war, do you? The ratio of the number of destroyed mosques to Orthodox churches is about 3:1. And the Serbs have a real nasty habit of building churches on foundations where mosques used to be. I bet Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, just loooooooves that kind of abuse of His abode. Not.

As for slowly rebuilding, guess what: about 80% of Bosnia's industrial base was destroyed by the war the Serbs started. $85 billion total war damage. Sure they're rebuilding the churches slowly. They're rebuilding EVERYTHING slowly. Because the Bosnian Serb army destroyed just about everything that made anybody any money in the place.

[alternatediscourse]

You ever drive from Tuzla to Zvornik and where the ZOS was established in 95/96, the mosques are sprouting up everywhere, new houses on the muslim side, whereas the Serb side, the houses have not been touched nor are the Serb Churches rebuilt? The money "earmarked" for the RS entity is withheld and rerouted elsewhere to benefit the "Federation". Maybe you are not aware the Islamic Declaration was the way Alija was to rule all of Bosnia.

Question ----

If you were a Bosnian Serb, would you live under Alija Izetbegovic upon learning or knowing of his Islamic Radikalism/fundamentalism?

RBJ's Answer (goes here)_____________________________

[alternatediscourse]

Darn tooten right I am correct, mister.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Have you ever been there? Have you been there since the end of the war? And on the highly unlikely event that you HAVE ever been there, have you done anything other than listened to disgrunteled relatives?

All you and Destro and your ilk do is spread hate, hate, hate for everyone who is not like you or who refuses to think like you. Go drown in your own bile. Lord knows you produce enough to drown in.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

If you were a Bosnian Serb, would you live under Alija Izetbegovic upon learning or knowing of his Islamic Radikalism/fundamentalism?

RBJ's Answer (goes here) If I were a Serb and ACTUALLY READ HIS BOOK, yeah, I would. I know a number of Serbs in Tuzla who stuck with the government and fought their co-ethnics because they knew mindless Nazi hate when they heard it, having grown up with it and rejected it.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

You ever drive from Tuzla to Zvornik and where the ZOS was established in 95/96, the mosques are sprouting up everywhere, new houses on the muslim side, whereas the Serb side, the houses have not been touched nor are the Serb Churches rebuilt? The money "earmarked" for the RS entity is withheld and rerouted elsewhere to benefit the "Federation". >>>

Yeah, I have made that drive many times... Very pretty countryside, if it weren't for all the farm houses the Serbs blew up after stealing the fridge. And yeah, 90% of the foreign aid money goes to the Federation. Why? The Serbs in the RS government STEAL it if we give it to them. The Federation (for all its fault) does not. We know who and how they spend the money. Give it to the RS and it winds up in hands of the mafia. We know this.

[alternatediscourse]

Hey bro, I was there last month.Evidently, you do not acknowledge what the trauma the local Serbs of Bratunac-Srebrenica, Milici, Skelani corridor experienced prior to the war and the onset. The Muslims did not listen tot he Serbs concerns, the Serbs wanted the same rights as the muslims, the right of self-determination. The muslims were granted the same right, the Serbs were denied after the Serbs voted 99% to seperate themselves from the muslims.

[alternatediscourse]

The Right of Self-Determination for Serbs were DENIED