Srebrenica Casualty Numbers Challenged by Experts as Politicized and Ethnically Divisive

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/decani/message/77206 ^ | September 20, 2003 | The International Strategic Studies Association (ISSA)

[alternatediscourse]

rbj WROTE "If I were a Serb and ACTUALLY READ HIS BOOK, yeah, I would."

YOU WOULD NOT, LIAR!

[alternatediscourse]

RBJ wrote- "Very pretty countryside, if it weren't for all the farm houses the Serbs blew up after stealing the fridge. And yeah, 90% of the foreign aid money goes to the Federation. Why? The Serbs in the RS government STEAL it if we give it to them. The Federation (for all its fault) does not. We know who and how they spend the money. Give it to the RS and it winds up in hands of the mafia.

It is very pretty, flat with a few rollers, right?..:)

You need to reassess that answer, bro. The CA Bn only evaluates and then recommends. The higher up politico's and military brass divert. Need details? a start is: HHC, 35 ID Mech.

[joan]

I guess Ronly Bonly never heard of all the scandals over the theft of money sent to the Federation, and people like Muhamed Sacirbey:

Ex Bosnia Foreign Minister Arrested For Theft:

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A former Bosnian ambassador to the United Nations was arrested in New York Tuesday for allegedly stealing about $2.5 million from his government's mission to the international organization. Muhamed Sacirbey, 46, who also has served as Bosnia's foreign minister, was arrested at his home in the city on a warrant issued for the purpose of extradition, the U.S. Marshals Service said...

[joan]

This is a report from 1999. I extract the section which uses specific examples, and I believe they are all in the Federation:

Leaders In Bosnia Are Said To Steal Up To $1 Billion:

Tuzla, a Muslim city. is one case study of widespread corruption that infects many local governments, the report says. The investigators' report charges that $200 million was missing from this year's budget, in addition to $300 million missing over the last two years.

Tuzla's schools were painted four times last year alone by the city government, although they were rebuilt and painted by international aid organizations as well. Tuzla officials paid two or three times the normal price for such work and sold many of the cans of paint on the local market, the auditors found. Many of the schools, meanwhile, still lack heat, and students must wear their coats to class in the winter.

In the town of Sanski Most, heavily damaged during the war, municipal funds are being used to build a horse racing track, much to the consternation of aid agencies, the report said.

The report charges the town's Mayor, Mehmed Alagic, with 358 counts of corruption. The charges include the theft of $450,000 in relief aid from Saudi Arabia. That money was supposed to be used to provide feed and farm equipment, but the report alleges that the Mayor gave the money instead to his brother to start a bank. The Mayor has denied the charges and accused the Office of the High Representative of mounting a campaign against him.

The most sensitive case under investigation by the antifraud unit concerns the Bosnia and Herzegovina Bank, or BiH, in Sarajevo. The bank took in tens of millions of dollars from international agencies and 10 foreign embassies. The money, the investigators say, was lent to fictional businesses or given as personal loans to friends by the two owners.

[alternatediscourse]

Yep, I stood next to Sacribey back in 1993. He and I avoided any conversation or eye contact with him having his hands in his front pockets. His goons were on his left side, all 4 of them. He was always shady, never upfront with the truth.

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I am becoming more and more convinced he is either a muslim or married to a muslim. He is or was a civilian worker in Bosnia, as he propogates his JAG titleship. The demeanor he displays lacks any makeup JAG Corps holds, intelligence and pride of oneself and of others.

[F.J. Mitchell]

Terrorists calling themselves Muslims are causing 90% of the unrest around the whole world. Ignoring this reality is ignorance at it's most blissful depth of delusion.

If those Muslims didn't do a damn thing to deserve what the Serbs alegedly did to them between 1992 and 1995-the Serbs probably didn't do it to them. It was more likely ordered done to them by some militant Muslim Cleric and carried out by his goons, as punsihment for their being bad Muslims for doing nothing to cause the Serbs to retaliate against them.

It's okay for you to babble about WWII though right? We all know the owner of that little mustache you are trying to hang under my nose.

[alternatediscourse]

I am becoming more and more convinced he is either a muslim or married to a muslim. He is or was a civilian worker in Bosnia, as he propogates his JAG titleship. The demeanor he displays lacks any makeup JAG Corps holds, intelligence and pride of oneself and of others.

[getoffmylawn]

Wow, joan. He gave you a personal attack as early as post #3. That's a Gold Medal Seal of Approval. Great post.

[inquest]

As to Racak, Serb forces executed unarmed civilians, just like they had in Croatia and Bosnia before, and the same idiots who tried to exonerate Milosevic's murderers got quickly to work to lie and deceive with enough volume and repetition to try and drown out the truth of the matter, and you and your opinions are a result of that effort - congratulations on your gullibility.

Does this mean you've finally found some reputable forensic specialists to cast doubt on the OSCE's findings, or are you just teasing us again?

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Terrorists calling themselves Muslims are causing 90% of the unrest around the whole world. Ignoring this reality is ignorance at it's most blissful depth of delusion. >>>

But you guys don't care that 99.9% of Muslims don't do a damned thing to Christians. All you want to do is revel in hate hate hate hate. You remember 9/11 like it was some sort of high Islamic ritual instead of the depraved act of a small group of Satanic pirates. It's the moral equivalent of the Jewish blood libel and I for one am sick of it.

If you want to ask God to bring down the fires of eternal vengeance on every living Muslim, (a) don't expect God to answer nicely and (b) don't expect to be able to excrete such wishes on FR without getting a very, very hostile reception.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Hey bro, I was there last month.Evidently, you do not acknowledge what the trauma the local Serbs of Bratunac-Srebrenica, Milici, Skelani corridor experienced prior to the war and the onset. The Muslims did not listen tot he Serbs concerns, the Serbs wanted the same rights as the muslims, the right of self-determination. The muslims were granted the same right, the Serbs were denied after the Serbs voted 99% to seperate themselves from the muslims. >>

Yeah. So they expressed their desire to separate themselve from the Muslims by rounding them up and committing genocide on them. And you support this. God have mercy on you; you are the moral equivalent of a German who looks at Auschwitz and says, "Hey, we had to protect ourselves against the Jews."

Anathema sit.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

The Right of Self-Determination for Serbs were DENIED>>>

Given that those Serbs of V Corps expressed that "right" through GENOCIDE, thank God for it. And may every single one of those responsible for that genocide know wailing and gnashing of teeth. And a very small cell in Holland. Amen.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

That's interesting. OSCE has nothing to do with the forensics process. OSCE provides supervision of the elections process. Forensics is carried out by the ICMP, the International Commission on Missing Persons in the Former Yugoslavia. Of which there are large numbers, due to the recreational activities of VRS V Corps, 11-21 July 1995.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

My. Are you also convinced that the earth is flat, or that the moon is made of green cheese?

Of course, anybody who is a fan of a country founded by a sports psychiatrist is clearly easily fooled.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

If those Muslims didn't do a damn thing to deserve what the Serbs alegedly did to them between 1992 and 1995-the Serbs probably didn't do it to them. It was more likely ordered done to them by some militant Muslim Cleric and carried out by his goons, as punsihment for their being bad Muslims for doing nothing to cause the Serbs to retaliate against them. >>

I only just reread your post and saw this amazing paragraph.

Hmmn. The Srebrenica dead, undeniably Muslims, were found with bullets that matched weapons from Serb V Corps rifles. So this scenario would require that the Serb V Corps, in the middle of combat, turn over their weapons to Bosnian Muslim terrorists to shoot their own people, then give the guns back to the Serbs.

It seems that LSD on the market these days seems to be decreasing in quality, judging from your posts.

[alternatediscourse]

Stop avoiding the topic - The Serbs were denied the Right to self-determination whereas the muslims/Croats were granted that exclusionairy right- meaning the Serbs, regardless how they felt or voted, wouldnt be granted a voice.

Your vision is narrow, are you TonkinGulfs nephew or younger sibling?

Sent tremors through you when you discovered your own ignorance when you were told I was there last month, ehh?

You are a LAIR when you say you'd live under Alijas rule after reading his Islamic Declaration.
You care to recite some of his words from his book? I am confidant you have not read it, please enlighten us with his words of peace and co-existant promises.

You still are sure that is what you would do?

[inquest]

The OSCE does more than monitor elections. The OSCE Verification Mission was set up in part to make sure that the Serbs (and Albanians) cooperated with efforts to investigate alleged war crimes. Although they themselves didn't conduct any forensics investigations, the investigations were conducted under their supervision, and they've found no improprieties that anyone's been able to point to. The tests showed that 37 out of the 40 bodies in Racak had residues consistent with having discharged firearms.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Stop avoiding the topic - The Serbs were denied the Right to self-determination whereas the muslims/Croats were granted that exclusionairy right- meaning the Serbs, regardless how they felt or voted, wouldnt be granted a voice. >>

Helloooooo.....McFly......anyone home, McFly?

What you mean is: Either the Serbs get to dictate to everybody or they pick up their balls, assuming they have any, or go home.

In a democracy, you vote and you go along with the will of the majority. If you aren't an outright majority, you work with the others to get your way. That's how it works.

In a tri-ethnic environment, you create alliances. Serbs work with the Croats to keep the Muslims from imposing Sharia, Serbs work with Muslims to keep the checkerboard from becoming the national flag, and Croats and Muslims work together to keep from having to have the Serb 4-c swastika branded on their buttocks to have the right to vote.

What was the war all about? Slobo was afraid he'd lose power, so he dredged up Serb Nationalism so that ignorant nationalist retards would be more afraid of the Muslims than outraged at his theft. And the serb nationalist retards ate every piece of his political excreta. He counted on you guys being idiots, and you delivered.

Well, guess what. You lost. Tough noogie.

[Hoplite]

The tests showed that 37 out of the 40 bodies in Racak had residues consistent with having discharged firearms.

You mean the circa 1930's paraffin test used by the Serbs and Byelorussians that the EU-FET team discounted because that method has been discarded in the West in the 1960's due to it's non-specificity?

Oh, that one.

Meanwhile, the EU-FET's autopsies and subsequent investigation of the crime scene in November of '99 discounts the Serb spin on Racak, and the trajectories of the bullets that killed the villagers, who were supposedly taken away to Stimlje by their captors, can only be explained by close range firing from the edges of the gully down into the victims.

In short, a massacre.