Republicans, Let us Honor Abraham Lincoln Today

National Park Service ^ | 9/15/2003 | RepublianWizard

[stainlessbanner]

I invited some others to our friendly thread. Many of them had ancestors who fought for both sides in the WBTS. Many of them live in the South, many of them do not. Many of them are contributors to FR and the GOP, many of them are not.

I am curious to hear their reaction to your statements in post 75.

[stainlessbanner]

If you cannot answer the questions directly, then we must proceed no further. I believe wizard answered the question I addressed to you in 75. Do you agree with the assessment in 75?

[republicanwizard]

I'm more than willing to debate them on the merits. However, would 3:30 be a better time?

By the way, it wasn't a war between the states. It was a war by some states against the United States. It was an insurrection.

I will not recognize it as the WBTS.

[stand watie]

what an INCREDIBLY DUMB & ill-informed post.

BUT you are intitled to hold any opinion, even one as SILLY as yours.

please kick us southrons out of the GOP. we'll go start a new and conservative party. when/if we do, both the GOP & the DIMocRATS will never win another nation-wide election.

both current parties will cease to be national parties & will become "a party of neo-conservatives, that can carry the country club vote" and NOBODY else AND a "party of the most extreme leftist/socialist sort, leading a few hundred thousand of the "poorest of the poor" & some "organized labor lunatics".

THAT will hasten dixie LIBERTY, like nothing else the damnyankee elites can do.

free dixie,sw

[Grand Old Partisan]

Calling the Civil War the WBTS ignores the 200,00 southern blacks and 100,000 southern whites who enlisted in the United States Army and Navy to defend our country against the Confederate rebels.

[republicanwizard]

No man can be a Republican who does not adhere to those principles on which the Party was founded. If the Republican Party turns it back on its past and becomes a supporter of secession and slavery, then one of us must leave. If necessary, it will be me.

You will not taint this party with the blood of traitors.

You will not destroy this party with the language of nullification and interposition.

You will not speak for this party with the rhetoric of the slaveowners.

You will not replace the sword of Washington with the whip of the slave driver.

You will not pervert our principles of man's equality.

You will not imbue the party with malice and hatred.

[stainlessbanner]

Too bad Lincoln didn't put a noose around the neck of Robert E. Lee after he betrayed his country

So that's it wizard - no due process, just hang 'em and kill 'em. No rights, no trial, no jury of peers.

Lincoln had much better judgement than you have demonstrated here.

Lee was loyal to his country and his home state of Virginia. Had you read of his account leading to 20 April, you might understand the depths of his decision.

[republicanwizard]

Yes, well, of course, they still don't understand this is a Federal Union that cannot be dissolved.

[billbears]

1. They cannot be Republicans.
2. They should not be Republicans.
3. It's time to ride them out of the Party.

As well they shouldn't or dare I say want to. The fruition of lincoln's big government Whig beliefs has come to the forefront with the latest rendition of the Republican Party. No longer do they even try to hide it (Gillespie), they just promise more than the 'other guy' promises. Southern conservatives, nor any conservative worth their salt, should want to be a member of a big government party anymore

And you shouldn't have to worry about 'riding them out of the Party'. The big government policies of many if not all Republican officials at the national level are doing that all on their own

[rebelyell]

Slavery was a horrible institution. I will not defend it.

Now, can you tell me why neither Jefferson Davis, his entire cabinet, the Confederate Congress and military leaders of the CSA were not charged and tried for treason?

[stainlessbanner]

"Any people, anywhere...." - 1848

[justshutupandtakeit]

None were Republicans thats for sure. Nor were any of the original KKKers.

[Grand Old Partisan]

President Lincoln wanted Jefferson Davis to be allowed to escape to Europe. It was President Andrew Johnson, a Democrat and arch-enemy of the Radical Republicans, who imprisoned Davis for two years.

It was firm Republican policy that there be no treason trials for anyone. The Republicans wanted "malice toward none, charity toward all," while Andrew Johnson had vowed to hang "Jefferson Davis and his pirate crew [his words]".

[Grand Old Partisan]

The Ku Klux Klan originated as the terrorist wing of the Democratic Party.

[stainlessbanner]

This paranoia that traitors and slaveowners are trying to inflitrate the GOP is hilarious! This rant has no foundation in present-day politics.

[Grand Old Partisan]

Your veneration for killers of U. S. troops in the 1860s has no place in present-day politics.

[stainlessbanner]

Below are some past attempts at secession. Many statesmen including Lincoln acknowledged the right to secede:

Examples of Secession

• 1798-99 Virginia and Kentucky Resolves. Said states could nullify national law if they violated individual state rights!
• 1804, Massachusetts plotted to secede and tried to get New York to withdraw from the union and establish a "Northern Confederacy".
• 1807 Embargo Act New Jersey was going to secede due prohibition of foreign trade
• In 1814, delegates from several New England states threatened to secede over President James Madison's war policies against England.
• In 1844, the Massachusetts Legislature threatened secession when Congress started debating whether to admit Texas into the Union.

[Grand Old Partisan]

In 1832, South Carolina-born President Andrew Jackson warned South Carolina secessionist wannabes: "If one drop of blood be shed in defiance of the laws of the United States I will hang the first man of them I can get my hands on to the first tree I can find." Virginia-born President Zachary Taylor threatened much the same thing in 1850.

[Vigilantcitizen]

If Southern conservatives consider the Civil War to have been unjust, then:

1. They cannot be Republicans.

2. They should not be Republicans.

3. It's time to ride them out of the Party.

Thanks for the ping Stainlessbanner.

First, I don't look at the WBTS in a judgemental context. As a Georgian, I hold no grudge against Sherman or Lincoln, nor the thousands of Union soldiers whose graves inhabit the ground around here. Because I would want the same from an ancestor of one of those union soldiers that one of my ancestors may have killed.

No matter who we feel was right or wrong, nothing is to be gained by insulting long dead men.

That being said, Mr. "Wizard", without southern conservatives, there is no GOP majority or President.

[justshutupandtakeit]

In case anyone doubted it, this is excellent proof that Douglas was not only a total racist (far more so than Lincoln) but, far from being the Little Giant, just another Pygmy. His racist followers are whooping it up at every racial slur, insult and attack.