Red Roots Of Gay Movement

Accuracy In Media ^ | September 10, 2003 | Cliff Kincaid

[Bonaparte]

tdadams [post 3]:

Amongst certain homosexuals there exists the following point of view: "what I do is of no importance to anyone else, it is a personal and private matter". Everything which touches upon sexual matters ceases to be private when the life or death of a nation depends on it. It is the difference between world domination or annihilation... It is vital we rid ourselves of them; like weed we must pull them up, throw them on the fire and burn them. This is not out of a spirit of vengeance, but of necessity; these creatures must be exterminated.

— Heinrich Himmler, 18 Feb 1937

Oh, yeah, those Nazis were just a bunch of homosexuals out to conquer the world. Sure sounds like it doesn't it?

What's really sad is I could have left off the attribution and it could have easily been mistaken for something many here on Free Republic have posted.
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The following excerpt is from The Pink Swastika (cited above -- 4th edn; Abrams & Lively; 2001) and can be found in the chapter headed, "Ernst Roehm and the Development of the SA" --

Homosexuality, meanwhile, continued on into the war years when Hitler Jugend boys frequently became victims of molestations at the hands of their SS tutors; Himmler consistently took a hard line against it publicly but was quite willing to mitigate his penalties privately and keep every incident as secret as possible (Rempel:51f).

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tdadams [post 56]: That's the biggest bunch of historical misinterpretation and revision I've ever seen. There is absolutely no credibilty to these theories in the least. The Nazis, without exception, saw homosexuality as a weakness and a threat to their progression.

To say otherwise, you're putting yourself in league with those who deny the Holocaust ever happened and make the claim that it was all just a big Jewish conspiracy to take over the world.

In other words, you're both as loony as they come and need to get some professional mental health care.
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tdadams states on his FR homepage that he has "little patience" with "hyperbole." In light of his statement quoted above, he evidently has little patience with consistency as well.

Here is the full enumeration of those things he has "little patience" with:

I admire a well reasoned argument, but have little patience for irrational emotionalism, unsubstantiated allegations, ad hominems, hyperbole, hysteria, or obfuscation.

I leave it to you to judge which of these practices he has found a new "toleration" for. In a previous post, I've already pointed out his belief that Prof. Skousen's book on communism is not credible because Skousen is a Mormon.

[Dataman]

tdadams states on his FR homepage that he has "little patience" with "hyperbole." In light of his statement quoted above, he evidently has little patience with consistency as well.

Many FR Libertarians have trouble understanding their own inconsistencies.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

What's your take on Harry Hay?

[tdadams]

You have described Hillary quite well. Did Rand share any other qualities with Hill?

Female and humanist. That's about the extent of any comparison between Hillary and Ayn Rand.

[tdadams]

I'm really flattered that you're expending so much concern on my behalf. But really, get some fresh air.

Nothing I've said is inconsistent with those principles I've espoused in my homepage. You can accuse me of hyperbole, but that doesn't make it so. You apparently object to my opinion of Mormonism. You think I shouldn't be entitled to that opinion or shouldn't be able to comment on it? This is a free republic isn't it, or is that just a nice sounding platitude?

[Bonaparte]

"...have trouble understanding their own inconsistencies."

LOLOL! You're right about that!

[Cincinatus' Wife]

The real Harry Hay***In death, though, Harry Hay’s critics have finally been able to do what they couldn’t do when he was alive: make him presentable. The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force and the Human Rights Campaign have issued laudatory press releases. (The HRC’s Davis Smith says, for example, "When you were in a room with him, you had the sense you were in the company of a historic figure." A sense I certainly didn’t get at a cocktail party 12 years ago, when he came across as nothing but a cantankerous old queen who was more interested in speculating about what some of the younger party guests would be like in bed than discussing the connections between 1950s communism and gay-community organizing.) Even the Metropolitan Community Church issued a statement hailing Harry Hay’s support for its work (a dubious idea at best). Neither of the long and laudatory obits in the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times mentioned his unyielding support for NAMBLA or even his deeply radical credentials and vision. Harry, it turns out, was a grandfatherly figure who had an affair with Grandpa Walton. But it’s important to remember Hay — with all his contradictions, his sometimes crackpot notions, and his radiant, ecstatic, vision of the holiness of being queer — as he lived. For in his death, Harry Hay is becoming everything he would have raged against.***

[Bonaparte]

Nice find, CW! Thanks!

[Cincinatus' Wife]

I found it very interesting. Hay strikes me as a completely selfish man.

[Bonaparte]

Yes, Rand would have approved. Can you just imagine how messed up those two adopted kids of his are?

[Cincinatus' Wife]

I expect they can spout the communist world view.

[Bonaparte]

Yes, I would imagine they can -- assuming they haven't died of AIDS or committed suicide.

[Bonaparte]

tdadams [from his FR homepage]: I think it's good for people to have their ideas challenged once in a while. Iron sharpens iron and if you surround yourself with people who always think exactly like you do, your brain will turn to jello.

tdadams [post 105]: You apparently object to my opinion of Mormonism. You think I shouldn't be entitled to that opinion or shouldn't be able to comment on it? This is a free republic isn't it, or is that just a nice sounding platitude?
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Iron sharpens iron, but it mashes jello.

[EdReform]

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[Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS]

1. Many FR Libertarians have trouble understanding their own inconsistencies. 102 posted on 09/12/2003 12:26 AM CDT by Dataman
2. Iron sharpens iron, but it mashes jello. 113 posted on 09/12/2003 6:14 AM CDT by Bonaparte
3. tdadams [from his FR homepage]: I think it's good for people to have their ideas challenged once in a while. Iron sharpens iron and if you surround yourself with people who always think exactly like you do, your brain will turn to jello.

The libertines have a mind like a steel trap; in which the iron component has been so substituted with jello that it has the consistency of same. As such, it is incapable of being sharpened and anything it contains is unfit for consumption.

[Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS]

Excellent addition to this thread. You, Bonaparte , BlackElk , Barnacle and others have provided the information while tdadams has provided the libertine entertainment.

[BlackElk]

Solicit someone who can perform a Heimlich maneuver.

[BlackElk]

Murray Rothbard was excommunicated by la ERand when, after introducing his Episcopalian fiancee to Rand at Rand's apartment, he was taken aside by Rand and told in no uncertain terms that intelligent folk cannot marry believers because your choice of spouse refects what you think of yourself. Rothbard got married and simultaneously got excommunicated by la Rand. Of course, Rand chose Frank O'Connor who sat in the easy chair being cuckolded while she was off trysting, but consistency was never her strength.

[BlackElk]

Grandpa Walton (the late Will Geer) was also a regular mandatory guest of the Congressional investigating comittees for his scarlet beliefs and behavior and not merely his lavender practices.

[Bonaparte]

"Hey! Who snatched my freedom of speech?"