Columbia University Ends Its Association With Biosphere 2

As an engineer who worked on the HVAC systems for the project, I can say with certainty that your information is totally, completely inaccurate. Dont feel bad, I havent seen any bit of truth on this page.

It was a rather reputable magazine in which I read that information and was a part of the company's advertising; why don't you tell us more about just how artificial the environment really was or wasn't, Mr. Insider?

Well the question of "artificial atmosphere" is not relevant, it was a study in sustainable closed ecosystems. Most ecosystems on the planet have been disturbed and experience dynamic conditions. What does a closed ecosystem mean? Primarily how does the basic biological and chemical cycles stabilize in dynamic conditions when the net amount of material stays constant. We learned alot about things like productivity, diversity, water use efficiency. The idea was to create a system and let it stabilize itself and watch what happens in the process. It was the idea of many famous scientists, but other famous scientist thought it hogwash.

The glass does passes the correct frequencies to allow plant growth (the light spectra required is well published), the UV does get blocked but is not really very important for primary productivity. Although the light levels were lower than the blazing arizona sun, certainly there was more light than many parts of the world. Quartz would have been so heavy B2 could not have built. It wasnt abandoned, there were no last minute AC units (that doesnt even make sense). No broken arms. B2 does have a basement, there are alot of ants but there are other bugs also.

Scientific or unscientific, it was built to understand
closed system cycles, and that is not done anymore since mid 90's. The idea of a closed system is at the heart of what the scientific community says is unscientific. So I guess when people say "bad science" refering to B2 they mean closed ecosystems. Closed ecosystems really have some interesting mathematic and philosophical underpinnings. Since then the system was changed to a controlled flow. It is really difficult and expensive to use B2 in a way that is not "closed system", and I am sure it was frustrating for Columbia to come to that realization.

I cannot comment on mistakes or peronalities, etc, but contrary to discussions, the system stayed closed for the intended time. There were materially imports & exports, but it was a controlled process, so that the inventory of material was understood.

What is truly laughable is the media perception. If everything went perfect and was known, why even do the experiment ? Success in the media's eyes seems like failure in mine. People dont say things like "what were the interesting problems that could be omens for our future?". This was truly an experiment, we didnt know what will happen beforehand. There were many interesting things to think about that came out of the intellectual and economic risks taken by the project.

Here is one idea, that scientists dont seem to be able to tell people about accurately, and that is the fundamentals of global warming. The physical chemistry of greenhouse gases, methane, CO2, etc is undeniable. These molecules adsorb more heat in the infrared band, because of specific molecular bonds. We also have more of these gases in the air, we cannot deny this. Becuase of this there is more thermal energy in the atmosphere. Nobody can argue. What happens after this, computer models are too complex to give good answers. The basic premise is very scary though. More thermal energy, but the changing dynamics MAY dampen the problem out or they also may make it worse. The uncertainty is in the chaotic meteorologic perturbation, but the fundamental science is a relatively simple calculation.

Cant see the forest for the trees ?

What happens when people get really smart and lose their common sense ?

Nothing personal, Im just another retard...

CC

The basic premise is very scary though.
The physical chemistry of greenhouse gases, methane, CO2, etc is undeniable.
Nothing personal, Im just another retard...

I'm glad you cleared that up.

Yes, it is always more important to show some sort of superiority than to create meaningful discussions. I guess you showed me !!!