Posted on 09/10/2003 11:09:57 AM PDT by dennisw
Why would you black out from the fall, other than as a bad case of "the vapors". People jump out of perfectly good airplanes all the time, and fall for a lot longer than these people, without blacking out. Most seem to enjoy the experience in fact. Of course they have parachutes to make the eventual landing more gentle.
What I can't get out of my mind is the sound of the jumpers when they hit ground - you can hear it plainly in the "9-11" documentary. It must have been an unimaginable hell up top.
Not only a butchered baby, but one photographed in two of the pictures. Find the innocent baby in the larger pic in the upper right corner.
Actually, it is the same picture, with the horrific area in the wide angle shot blown up to show detail.
And as others have pointed it out, it wasn’t a baby in the picture.
So because the author himself didn't do this I shouldn't be enraged by it's utter lack of decency?
But should those calls be made? Should those questions be asked? Would they only heap pain upon the already anguished? Would they be regarded as an insult to the memory of the dead, the way the Hernandez family regarded the imputation that Norberto Hernandez was the Falling Man? Or would they be regarded as steps to some act of redemptive witness?
What tripe. Sure, call up the families and say "I'm trying to find out if your loved one bailed off the roof, as I'm trying to provide an act of redemptive witnessing". What utter presumptuous self-serving horseshit.
If the families of the victims wish to investigate the final moments of the lives of the lost loved ones, that is their right and I respect them for it. The offer to investigate should be made to all family members, where they can accept or decline at will. And their decision to know or not know SHOULD BE RESPECTED.
But to be dragged in, unwillingly, into an investigation such as some of the people in this article were is awful. Especially when it's posed as a lofty goal such as "redemptive witness" that we should all partake of, whether we think it's appropriate or not.
This is why I'm opposed to broadcasting detailed pictures of the jumpers. If you lost someone that day, how would you feel if you saw the face of your husband, your wife, your daughter, your son, broadcast as he went off the side of the building, over and over and over and over again, every September for the next 20 years?
Show us enough anonymous footage to keep us pissed off, I'm fine with that (and seem to be doing well enough in that department even without extra video). But dammit, we have to respect the families and friends of the lost instead of continuing to pick at the scabs they're trying to form over and over again.
That statue in Rockefeller Center pissed me off royally, too. Not because of the subject matter, but partially because of the timing and MOSTLY because of the placement. The installers and artists said they were doing it so no one would forget.
Like anyone from NY can EVER forget! If anything, they remember too much, and the last thing they needed was for the horrors of that day to be thrown back in their face, in the middle of a recreational area such as Rockefeller Plaza.
Put it in the middle of LA for crying out loud, where those self-important jackasses in Hollywood can look at it and maybe understand what we went through that day.
We're obviously not going to agree on this - while the article did make some good points (the end, mostly) the behaviour of some of those in it I abhor.
LQ
P.S. When the photog started taking masks off the ambulance so he could continue to shoot did it ever occur to him that maybe the rescue workers would need those?
I'm not sure; I was quite ill that day so I missed the initial attacks, but was taping live before the towers collapsed. I haven't watched it, except for a few minutes, since.
"On the west side, falling bodies crashed onto the awning covering the circular VIP driveway. The thudding of bodies at this entrance can be heard on a video taken near there by French cameraman Jules Naudet, whose footage was broadcast on CBS on March 11."
200 Jump, Fall, Leap, Dive and Plunge to Death From WTC
09/02/2002 - 09:26 PM ET
USA TODAY estimates that at least 200 people jumped to their deaths that morning, far more than can be seen in the photographs taken that morning. Nearly all were from the north tower, which was hit first and collapsed last. Fewer than a dozen were from the south tower.
By Dennis Cauchon and Martha Moore, USA TODAY
At first, it seemed like debris. Large objects were falling from the top of the World Trade Center's north tower, just a few minutes after American Airlines Flight 11 hit.
"It took three or four to realize: They were people," says James Logozzo, who had gathered with co-workers in a Morgan Stanley boardroom on the 72nd floor of the south tower, just 120 feet away from the north tower. "Then this one woman fell."
She fell closer to the south tower, he recalls. Logozzo saw her face. She had dark hair and olive skin, a white blouse and black skirt. She fell with her back to the ground, flat, staring up.
"The look on her face was shock. She wasn't screaming. It was slow motion. When she hit, there was nothing left," Logozzo says.
Logozzo cried, "Oh my God!" and raced for the stairs. When he got to the street 45 minutes later, he looked up. By then, his building had been struck by United Airlines Flight 175. From the ground, he saw two more people jump. This time, they were from his building.
The story of the victims who jumped to their deaths is the most sensitive aspect of the Sept. 11 tragedy. Photographs of people falling to their deaths shocked the nation. Most newspapers and magazines ran only one or two photos, then published no more. USA TODAY ran one photo Nov. 16.
It was worse than people realize.
USA TODAY estimates that at least 200 people jumped to their deaths that morning, far more than can be seen in the photographs taken that morning. Nearly all were from the north tower, which was hit first and collapsed last. Fewer than a dozen were from the south tower.
The jumping started shortly after the first jet hit at 8:46 a.m. People jumped continuously during the 102 minutes that the north tower stood. Two people jumped as the north tower began to fall at 10:28 a.m., witnesses said.
For those who jumped, the fall lasted 10 seconds. They struck the ground at just less than 150 miles per hour — not fast enough to cause unconsciousness while falling, but fast enough to ensure instant death on impact. People jumped from all four sides of the north tower. They jumped alone, in pairs and in groups.
Most came from the north tower's 101st to 105th floors, where the Cantor Fitzgerald bond firm had offices, and the 106th and 107th floors, where a conference was underway at the Windows on the World restaurant. Others leaped from the 93rd through 100th floor offices of Marsh & McLennan insurance company.
Intense smoke and heat, rather than flames, pushed people into this horrific choice. Flight 11 struck the 94th through 98th floors of the north tower, shooting heat and smoke up elevator shafts and stairways in the center of the building. Within minutes, it would have been very difficult to breathe. That drove people to the windows 1,100 to 1,300 feet above ground.
There were several reasons more people jumped from the north tower than from the south. The fire was more intense and compact in the north tower. The jet hit higher, so smoke was concentrated in 15 floors compared with 30 floors in the south tower, which was hit on the 78th through 84th floors. The north tower also stood longer: 102 minutes vs. 56 minutes. And twice as many people were trapped on the north tower's upper floors than in the south tower, where occupants had 161/2 minutes to evacuate before the second jet hit.
The New York medical examiner's office says it does not classify the people who fell to their deaths on Sept. 11 as "jumpers."
"A 'jumper' is somebody who goes to the office in the morning knowing that they will commit suicide," says Ellen Borakove, spokeswoman for the medical examiner's office. "These people were forced out by the smoke and flames or blown out."
She says the medical examiner's office couldn't determine who jumped because the injuries were similar to those suffered by the people killed in the collapse of the towers. The manner of death for all those who died was listed as homicide on death certificates.
To make its estimate of the number of people who plunged from the Trade Center, USA TODAY reviewed videos and photographs, interviewed witnesses and analyzed the time and location of the jumping. The newspaper discussed its conclusion with officials in the fire department and medical examiner's office who, while not making calculations of their own, deemed an estimate of 200 jumpers as accurate.
The New York Times counted 50 different jumpers in a review of photographs and videotapes. USA TODAY's estimate attempts to include people whose falls were not documented. Nearly all photos were of the north tower's north and east faces, which were more accessible to photographers coming from uptown Manhattan. But witnesses reported that numerous people leapt from the north tower's south and west sides as well.
On the south side, firefighters reported 30 to 40 bodies on the roof of the 22-floor Marriott Hotel, adjacent to the north tower.
On the west side, falling bodies crashed onto the awning covering the circular VIP driveway. The thudding of bodies at this entrance can be heard on a video taken near there by French cameraman Jules Naudet, whose footage was broadcast on CBS on March 11.
On the east side, people plummeted into the plaza, best known for its globe sculpture. Blood covered the glass walls and revolving doors that led to the plaza from the second-floor mezzanine in the north tower. People evacuating the north tower walked by this horrible sight.
"The windows were red ... and bits of bodies were outside. We were stunned and amazed," says Richard Moller, who escaped from the 78th floor.
After the first jet crash, Port Authority police Officer David Lim took an escalator from the lobby of the north tower to the plaza level, one floor above. He saw a disfigured body near a stage where musical groups performed on the plaza. "I said, oh my God! I've got to call this in. 'I've got a DOA on the plaza.' The desk officer said, 'Are you sure he's dead?' As I'm retransmitting, another body falls."
To be sure, some who fell didn't jump. Witnesses say a few people seemed to have stumbled out of broken windows obscured by smoke. But most say those jumping appeared to make a conscious choice to die by falling rather than from smoke, heat or fire.
Ultimately, they were choosing not whether to die but how to die. Nobody survived on the floors from which people jumped.
Victims who jumped had a profound influence on the evacuation. Firefighters moved their command post away from the building to avoid them. A falling body killed a firefighter. Fire Commissioner Thomas Van Essen, rushing out of the north tower to meet Mayor Rudy Giuliani, was nearly killed when a body landed 15 feet away.
To safeguard people from falling bodies and debris, authorities blocked the main exits from the lobbies to the street. Instead, people escaping from both towers were sent through an underground shopping mall and under the outdoor plaza where bodies were falling.
The sight of people jumping saved lives, too. In the south tower, people had a close-up view of people plunging to their deaths from a building that was a mirror image of their own. "I looked at a couple of people jumping, and that was it. I'd seen enough. I said, 'We've got to get the hell out of here,' " says Jaede Barg, who worked for Aon on the south tower's 100th floor.
Many south tower survivors say the sight of people jumping created an urgency that caused them to leave immediately and ignore announcements that it was safe to return to their desks. About 1,400 people evacuated the upper floors before the second jet hit.
Eric Thompson, who worked on the 77th floor of the south tower, went to a conference room window after the first jet hit. He was shocked when a man came to a north tower window and leapt from a few floors above the fire. Thompson looked the man in the face. He saw his tie flapping in the wind. He watched the man's body strike the pavement below. "There was no human resemblance whatsoever," Thompson says.
I suppose it's comforting to think the murdered people falling out of the buildings 'embraced' their fate and were ok with it. I have a feeling that's the exact opposite of their experience however.Amen.
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