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H1-B: How to stay here -- legal advice (yeah thanks a lot!)
SearchCIO.com ^ | 07 Jul 2003 | David Weldon

Posted on 09/09/2003 5:04:40 PM PDT by dark_lord

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To: clockwork
My friend, you have to read the fine print.

http://workforcesecurity.doleta.gov/foreign/faqsanswers.asp#perm1

4. What will I, as the employer have to do once the SWA reviews and evaluates the application?

Once the application is complete, the SWA will oversee the employer's recruitment of U.S. workers, by placing a job order in the statewide job bank system or equivalent. The employer must post an announcement of the job opportunity at its place of business along with a notice of the filing of an foreign labor certification application. The employer must also place an advertisement by the employer in whichever publication is determined by the SWA to be most appropriate to the occupation.

The SWA will screen resumes from job applicants and forwards apparently qualified resumes to the employer. Then the employer must interview and evaluate the applicants, and file a report with the SWA giving the lawful, job-related reasons why each rejected applicant is not qualified for the position. A recruitment report must be furnished to the SWA as evidence of recruitment advertising and in-house posted notice.

21 posted on 09/09/2003 7:26:20 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Israel is the canary in the coal mine of Islamofascism)
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To: thoughtomator
Check the stats for the past 2 years. The number of H1-Bs issued has dropped to around 65k, and I would be that is almost entirely renewals at this point. There is a check, it is called your state labor department. They can take years to process these things, and many do get denied, which would imply they do something other than rubber-stamp every application that comes in the door.

Yes, indeed the number of H-1Bs has dropped because employers are not filing nearly as many as they did during the Y2K period...its a reflection of the economy. Which tends to support the position that the H-1B visa is not abused by employers...when they needed the help they asked for foreign workers, now they don't. As for your contention that state labor departments have anything to do with an H-1B petition, you are once again completely wrong. Moreover, an H-1B petition has never taken years to process...more like six months at best.

22 posted on 09/09/2003 7:29:54 PM PDT by clockwork
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To: thoughtomator
My friend, you have to read the fine print.

My friend, you have to be in the right section to read the fine print that applies to what you purport to be talking about. You are reading from the "permanent labor certification" process section. This has nothing to do with H-1Bs. Trust me dude, you have no idea what you are talking about at this point.

23 posted on 09/09/2003 7:33:17 PM PDT by clockwork
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To: clockwork
http://workforcesecurity.doleta.gov/foreign/pdf/h1bhand_format.pdf

This is the form you fill out for a H1-B. Check out the bottom part of page 2. If the person's immigration status is H1-B dependent, then the employer needs to fulfill the requirements listed to the right.
24 posted on 09/09/2003 7:34:24 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Israel is the canary in the coal mine of Islamofascism)
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To: clockwork
Whoah I remember this...
And every Presidential candidate (including our beloved President) wants to give them a free ticket to America.

*** He wanted to give this to the Mexicans ONLY. Well I remember EVERYONE up in arms as to why he singled out the Mexicans? I remember the editor of a caribbean newspaper writing that Bush was curryfavoring with Vicente Fox, and not to do at all if he wasn't going to give everyone a chance at amnesty. BTW, I also know ILLEGALS too and not everyone has a crack at amnesty. A lot of people I knew who disappeared, I found out were sent back. They were nice but still you break the law, suffer the results.

Vicente Fox has the deal of the millenium. Send out all the pauper mountain people to the US by life in Mexico impossible. Get a steady flow of US hard currency by people sending money home.

I personally witnessed an illegal trying to use a SSN card. The lady at the emergency room desk threw at back at him saying it wasn't his and why does he need his friend to speak for him? The man could even write in spanish, his own language. They sent him packing. I was astounded.
25 posted on 09/09/2003 7:34:31 PM PDT by cyborg (i'm half and half... me mum is a muggle and me dad is a witch)
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To: thoughtomator
If the person's immigration status is H1-B dependent, then the employer needs to fulfill the requirements listed to the right.

"H-1B dependent" is a phrase associated with the employer, not the "person". If I thought it would help I would give you money to buy a clue, but you just don't seem to want to learn anything.

26 posted on 09/09/2003 7:50:47 PM PDT by clockwork
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To: cyborg
RE: "Vicente Fox has the deal of the millenium"

Mexicans who immigrate here legally are welcomed but there is also the corrupt Mexican government's Program for Mexican Communities Abroad. Its unwanted citizens are being herded across the border. The corrupt Mexican government expects, however, that those citizens remain loyal Mexicans and meddles in our affairs to promote that end. Mexico considers itself to be a nation without borders -- a kind of Mexican diaspora. google has tons of links.

The corrupt Mexican government's consulate personnel and corrupt Mexican government's corrupt state governments are also active in creating home town associations (HTA) or "clubs" here in the U.S. that fund projects and public services in the corrupt home towns back in Mexico. google has tons of links. Gee, how do Mexican citizens have so much money left over to send home to family and government? Why don't we just have the various social services send the checks directly to the corrupt Mexican government?

I have found that there is very little interest in viewing ILLEGAL immigration from this angle. In practice it is "legal" because both of our political parties want it and likely have agreements with the corrupt government of Mexico.

The only way to stop ILLEGAL immigration is to stop it at the source: the Democrat and the Republican Party leadership.

27 posted on 09/09/2003 9:10:01 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
:sigh: but we elected Dubya and he was teetering on amnesty for illegal mexicans until 9-11 happened. What is the point of electing politicians if they're going to do whatever they want? My boss says she doesn't vote because of that reason.
28 posted on 09/09/2003 9:17:04 PM PDT by cyborg (and you thought I was just joking about the tinfoil hat)
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To: dark_lord
I wonder how many of those H1-B forms were signed with a straight face.
29 posted on 09/09/2003 9:20:42 PM PDT by sixmil
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To: cyborg
Yeah, I know what your boss means. On immigration for example they got us on ILLEGAL and legal (H1B, L-1, and the NAFTA, etc. visas) -- and now, "cross-border IT-enabled services."

For me the only thing I can do is to let them know that I have absolute and total contempt for them and hope the future brings interesting times for them but I'm going to vote for them anyway as the least offensive alternative.

Meanwhile I support the minority Republicans like Tancredo

Of course, there is no doubt that President Bush is doing a great job letting the military defend us -- over there. Not so well publicized is the good job some government guys are doing against "sleepers," etc. here.

I cannot help thinking that the one thing business fears most is high inflation. The best defense against that is "cheap labor" and surplus labor. Surrendering our sovereignty is not just happening. "It's for our own good." :)

30 posted on 09/09/2003 10:18:37 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael
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To: thoughtomator
Check the stats for the past 2 years. The number of H1-Bs issued has dropped to around 65k, and I would be that is almost entirely renewals at this point.

Where are you getting your data from? In 2003 there were 56,986 approved in the first 3 quarters with 47,813 pending. For a grand total of 104,799. Not including some 84,000 that were exempt from the rules. All of this while people that are fully qualified can not even get an interview.

Ref: http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/publicaffairs/newsrels/H1BRelease8-26-03.pdf

For more data see:

http://www.zazona.com/shameh1b/Library/BrainSavers/VisaGlut.PDF and http://www.zazona.com/LCA-Data/

There is a check, it is called your state labor department. They can take years to process these things, and many do get denied, which would imply they do something other than rubber-stamp every application that comes in the door.

It is very hard to "prove" that a company "could not find" a qualified American candidate. You are dreaming if you think the government actually goes after companies for this practice.

31 posted on 09/09/2003 10:22:46 PM PDT by blueriver
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To: blueriver; clockwork
Ok, ok feel free to pile on... I checked carefully and it does not say the H1-B requires any more than you have mentioned. I was thinking it used the ETA 750 rather than the ETA 9305. My bad, thanks for the info.
32 posted on 09/09/2003 10:43:44 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Israel is the canary in the coal mine of Islamofascism)
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To: blueriver
Where are you getting your data from? In 2003 there were 56,986 approved in the first 3 quarters with 47,813 pending. For a grand total of 104,799. Not including some 84,000 that were exempt from the rules. All of this while people that are fully qualified can not even get an interview.

This is what I am seeing here too, no let up in bringing in foreigners while americans cant get interviews.

Now, can anyone give us the numbers of how many employers were prosecuted and fined, and exactly how much were thoe fines, for not following all of the H-1B and L-1 rules?

Do all of the fines add up to hundreds of millions of dollars(which would be effective), or do they just add up to a few hundred dollars total in the entire country(which means all the regulations and hoops that were mentioned dont mean a thing)?

The last I heard, INS is not doing anything to enforce violations, because they were too numerous to enforce. Also, the penalties on an employer were next to nothing, so that even if the business was caught and fined, it was still more profitable for that business to have broken the immigration law since they made a profit on it anyways even with a very small fine.

33 posted on 09/10/2003 5:09:35 AM PDT by waterstraat
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