Vicious-dog (Pitbull) law: Guide dog stands firm during attack by another canine

The Cincinnati Enquirer ^ | 9 Sep 03 | Jane Prendergast

[Pitbull Owner]

Some of you guys seriously need to wake up !! First off.... this lockjaw bs has gone on long enough. NO BREED OF DOG HAS LOCKJAW as a usable attribute, maybe the disease though. When in the heat of battle Pits zone out because they're focused ONLY on battling.... nothing else. They can take excruciating amounts of pain b/c of this, that and they are the most "game" dogs in the world. Gameness is a trait that allows them to continue through extreme pain, exhaustion, blood loss and broken bones. This trait isn't a bad trait. Also, they hold their bites (Locks) b/c of their unreal determination to not let go which has been selectively bred into them for hundreds of years through fighting and bear and bull baiting. This is not a physical attribute. The hardest biting dog is a dog that is the most determined and motivated to do just that ! Some of you guys need to read up on some of these myths among others here ==>

http://www.edba.org.au/myths.html

To the fools that claim that Bouviers, BullMastiffs, and Rottweilers etc. are harder biting dogs... research this also. The Rott generally speaking, out of these 3 dog breeds mentioned, is the ONLY one out of these that is known to have what is called a "hard mouth" with a powerful bite. Speaking on behalf of most American Pitbulls they're known to have super hard mouths with extremely powerful bites. Due to their uncanny determination, drive, and motivation to bite they often end up inflicting the most amount of damage as the outcome compared to any other dog breed. I own, raise, and train Pitbulls for Schutzhund, I'm qualified enough to have hands-on with this stuff. American Pitbulls are pound for pound the strongest dog in the world, bar none. They've got the strongest bites and the strongest grips. The Tosa-Ken breed, the Japanese Sumo fighting dog, (2-4x bigger than an avg. Pitbull) according to many including myself would have the #2 hardest bites.. then probably the Pakistani fighting dog the Bully Kutta. The latter 2 being extremely rare outside of their native lands. It's estimated that only 500 purebred Tosas exist here in the US. It's estimated that maybe only 2-3 Bully Kutta might exist here. Bite strength is all based upon individuality.... more so than the breed of dog. The dog's motivation and drive to bite are the factors that go into this. These breeds are the only 3 serious fighting breeds known to man, every other breed that is claimed as a fighter isn't being fought today b/c they don't have continued success in the ring and generally have weak bites and soft mouths. Pitbulls are normally very animal aggressive... NOT human aggressive. ATTS 95% Temp. passing rate. If these dogs were such man-biters than they wouldn't be able to be handled well in fights by the handlers. The man-biters are culled a lot of the time by dogmen. Probably 8 out of 10 Pitbulls that you'll ever meet could be stolen by an absolute stranger. That says something about how man aggressive they are. I live here in Dayton, Ohio. This Cinci Pit crap is starting to piss me off, has been for ages but I've always kept my mouth shut until now. I have a hard time even getting my Pits to hit a sleeve (manwork) let alone bite it. Pitbulls can be dangerous..... but so can many other breeds. When I mean dangerous, I mean dangerous to other animals, almost never dangerous to humans. Probably more than half of these attacks by "Pitbulls" are by Amstaffs (Showring "Pitbull" type) and by Pitbull mixes. Man aggression is not a proper breed trait for them. Animal aggression is. If anyone confuses these two then they're quite ignorant and need to keep doing their homework. Out of all of the recognised breeds, the American Pitbull Terrier is the 3'rd least likely dog breed to bite a human. BSL is a joke.... temperaments of dogs are individual qualities... and cant be labeled to a whole breed of dog. Such a large generalization based on shoddy believe-to-be-trues carries much ignorance. Look at Germany.... their BSL is going down the drain.... it's not holding up in court at present.

[Pitbull Owner]

And I love the claim that Irish Wolfhounds can bite harder than Pitbulls ! Lmao !! Wolfhounds aren't bull breeds.. which infact have the muscle development in their cheeks to house their wide jaws and provide such a punitive bite. Wolfhounds don't have punitive bites. I've trained probably over 20 different Bull breeds and Mastiff-types in the past 10yrs or so. The hardest bites that I've ever had on the sleeve were "consistently" from 70-75lb. Pitbulls. Don't believe me go ask people that actually do manwork with them besides me..... rather than act like they know it all like a lot of you. As for this PSI nonsense... it can never be accurately collected and never will be. I've got friends that have done their Ph.d. thesis' at UCLA on carnivore jaw and tooth development. The closest that they have come was by the use of dental impressions from the actual teeth doing the biting (the surface area being collected) and by using a transducer to measure voltage change for conversion to PSI units. You'd take the overall bite pressure reading and divide it by the teeth's surface areas that were doing the biting. Premolars and molars obviously having the most pressure due to their much wider surface area compared to the canines and other frontal teeth. Collecting accurate PSI data is literally impossible, far too many variables. Think about it.... the individuality of the dog.... it's overall temperament.... the degree of motivation and drive to bite (differs largely and can't be measured).... type of aggression being collected (defensive or offensive aggression, can't be measured effectively).... the EXACT teeth used to do the biting will need to be known... frontal, mid, or deep molar bites (full mouth and half mouth bites, can never be consistent)..... the degree of agitation by the person that is gathering the data will need to be known too (which can't ever be measured very accurately). These can't be measured and/or administered accurately and consistently. None of them. These are all broad variables that can and will affect the results drastically. PSI data isn't worth 2 sh!ts. This is not opinion this is fact !

[Pitbull Owner]

Not only will a determined bull breed like a Pitbull bite the hardest but they'll also shake their prey the hardest too.... especially Pits, due to the terrier in them b/c of their shaking nature and tenacity. Extremely game, tenacious, athletic, and winded (stamina) now extinct English white terriers (which by nature like to shake) were crossed with fighting-inclined, determined, courageous, and powerful Bulldogs back in the day to create Pitbulls. The end result created superior athleticism and unreal cardiovascular systems from the terriers with the great bronze, bite, strength, fearlesness and fighting ability of the bulldog. The Pitbull may have this total package at his disposal making him potentially more dangerous than other breeds but by nature, these guys are gentle with humans. Of course they'll always be bad apples and exceptions to this, as for any breed. The owners are to blame.... not the Pitbulls for what is happening. If these Pits were put down in the first place for man-aggression then this crap wouldn't be happening today. Blame the deed not the breed so it goes.