President George W. Bush Speaks Exclusively with CNBC's Ron Insana (China)

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[cp124]

Talk is cheap...and meanwhile wages keep falling at "The Great Wall" Mart.

[jungleboy]

The Chicoms can "assimilate" our businesses all they want, BUT, they can never be self-sustained without that big bad word that drives economies... Capitalism.

[maui_hawaii]

There are simple and solid correct principles that will serve us well if we follow them.

We however have let all kinds of other philosophies and false ideals rule the roost. They are good intentions run wild.

[maui_hawaii]

The US has forgotten some essential, but very basic correct principles.

[Quix]

I don't think any westerner knows enough about negotiating with Asians--especially Chinese and Japanese.

Yelling publically in the wrong way at the wrong time in the wrong context is self-destructive.

Playing it always by the Asian's rules is also self-destructive.

Westerners don't have a lot of leeway unless we have more assets, more things Asia wants. I don't know how much that is still true and worse, how much it may continue to be as true as it still might be.

[RLK]

The Chicoms can "assimilate" our businesses all they want, BUT, they can never be self-sustained without that big bad word that drives economies... Capitalism.

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I was contacted by the Chinese government to go there and work as a R&D engineer/scientist some years ago at any reasonable salary I wanted. I declined because of unalterable difference with the socialist system. I continue, however, to follow activities over there. Don't kid yourself about the progress they are making. Forget the cliches and slogans. That stuff is for kids. Given the deterioration and decadence in this nation, and the progress and strategy in chine, China will surpass us in the next 15-20 years, or sooner. In fact, I look for economic collapse here before 15 years.

[maui_hawaii]

Negotiation with Chinese:

Talk softly and be very eloquent. Smile and show that you know their culture. Use chopsticks and if possible speak fluent Chinese to them. (as an American I know this works very well). Make a fair offer.

If they don't comply, go somewhere else. Afterwards quietly spread the word about how much money you made with your new partner...

If that doesn't work grab them by the b@lls. Put them on their knees and ask them quietly if they want trouble.

If they don't comply, make an example of them.

In either case the next guy will listen when you talk to him.

[maui_hawaii]

The only problem is we are all bark and no bite. We aren't willing to go somewhere else.

We should be willing, no questions asked and without hesiation.

No bluffing.

[templar]

Then he says "we shouldn't thump the table..."

Well geez, of course not. Table thumpin' could get someone upset. Or worse, it might give them a good laugh.

[maui_hawaii]

Its called trying to take the moral high ground...

Like I said though, we were thumping at D.C., not so much Beijing.

[maui_hawaii]

I am waiting for one of them to say what they REALLY think.

IE: I want them to stand up in a presidential debate and tell the unemployed that they are now obsolete. That they are spoiled. That they don't know how good they have it and should stop complaining. (This sounds especially good coming from a CEO with $150 million bucks in the bank). That China is the wave of the future and is superior to our workforce. Then they should tell everyone to get a real education.

Its a perverted way to play the moral high ground but that is what MOST think they are doing.

If that is what they want to represent, say it. Do it in front of an audience.

[maui_hawaii]

I forgot to mention that "You are not entitled to a job"... "Our primary concern is for our shareholders..."

And not to mention "not everyone works the same way America does" (meaning that free markets don't work for others but they do for us)...

[maui_hawaii]

I can think of a few more...

"Business is in business for business... we are not required to change some place like China. We are just taking advantage of the global landscape..."

[ETERNAL WARMING]

I am hopeful that someone listens.

I'm not. They hear us, but they ignore us. My proposal is to send a loud and clear message:

Between now and Jan.1, stock up on any goods you will need for the coming year excepting food and households..detergent, etc.

As of Jan.1, do not purchase a single good until Jan.1, 04. THAT will send a message that they can't ignore. Enough is enough.

[Quix]

Sounds like good strategy to me.

They make fools of us then resent us and mock us for being so stupid as to allow them to make fools of us.

[Quix]

Bluffing doesn't work well.

We will always be amateurs compared to them.

And, on major points, the Mainlanders, at least, tend to mean what they say--though they are artists at the vague generalities that leave plenty of wiggle room.

[Walkin Man]

Right.

[jungleboy]

You say the US economy will collapse within 15 years?

I'd love to take you up on that... and I don't know what you mean by "forget the cliches and slogans".

Remember, the Chicoms have BOUGHT every technology they have. They have no free-thinkers.

[jungleboy]

You say the US economy will collapse within 15 years?

I'd love to take you up on that... and I don't know what you mean by "forget the cliches and slogans".

Remember, the Chicoms have BOUGHT every technology they have. They have no free-thinkers.