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Disabled woman would cry "help me" caregivers claim
spiritdaily.com ^ | 9/3/03 | Jeff Johnson

Posted on 09/04/2003 10:09:25 AM PDT by attagirl

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To: RightWhale
All that and not a single rational reason. Can we think morally anymore? Or is this what passes for moral thought on FR. Elian, Part Deux I agree with you on on thing--there's some striking similarities between this case and Elian's--namely, the force of govt. unleashed.

Re your other remarks I can only guess at what you mean, but I take it you think we're all a bunch of hysterics--that we're not seeing the proper nuances.

This Terri case is sheer evil with far repercussions to us all. Nor is it a question of conflicting rights.

101 posted on 09/07/2003 8:11:28 PM PDT by attagirl
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far repercussions to us all.

Such as? Slippery Slope?

102 posted on 09/08/2003 5:25:48 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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Me: far repercussions to us all.

You: Such as? Slippery Slope?

Well, you could certainly say that, although I was thinking not culturally but specific to medical care itself. I just mean that this is terrible precedent-setting taking place here. The right to die people will certainly be making sure that Persistent Vegetative State becomes an ever-expanding term.

Then, too, I heard that hospitals can be paid up front by the insurance(I don't know to what extent this is done). So, Mr. Smith goes in for a gall bladder op. The hospital gets paid for that. But while there, complications occur. Every day Mr. Smith is there the hospital loses money.

So to the hospital Mr. Smith becomes an encumbrance. That doesn't bode well for his care.

(The case of Terri, however, is in a class its own, I hope, since it is criminal. But if allowed to stand, it means we stand less of a chance of getting the hospital to act in our interest as patients.)

103 posted on 09/08/2003 6:06:29 PM PDT by attagirl
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Persistent Vegetative State

That is part of a moral argument, as is Slippery Slope. Actually, Persistent Vegetative State is stronger in that it implies effective Brain Death, although perhaps not strict Brain Death. Brain Death has been taken to be equivalent to plain Death, so there is no moral problem according to this accepted definition since the patient is already Dead.

The rule against causing Death is still intact by this approach, and the medical staff must still provide every opportunity for the survival of the patient even while withdrawing life-support. It may be seen as just going through the motions.

What led up to this situation is separate from what must be done now with respect to the patient. If the judgement of an existing condition of Persistent Vegetative State is not acceptible, then this is what needs work, both in law and in moral philosophy.

104 posted on 09/08/2003 7:11:20 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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Sorry--somehow I missed this post. OK. Here goes. I don't know if you read it or not, but Terri, who is asking for help and responding to family members, is deemed to be in a Persistent Vegetative State.

Is she dead? No. In a coma? No.

But somehow, the State of Floriduh has decreed it so. All the definitions in the world won't help in this case because the books are cooked, the judge has an agenda and Michael doesn't want this dead person revived so she can testify against him!

Please tell me you are not a lawyer!

105 posted on 09/08/2003 8:13:43 PM PDT by attagirl
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Sorry--somehow I missed this post. OK. Here goes. I don't know if you read it or not, but Terri, who is asking for help and responding to family members, is deemed to be in a Persistent Vegetative State.

Is she dead? No. In a coma? No.

But somehow, the State of Floriduh has decreed it so. All the definitions in the world won't help in this case because the books are cooked, the judge has an agenda and Michael doesn't want this dead person revived so she can testify against him!

Please tell me you are not a lawyer!

106 posted on 09/08/2003 8:13:44 PM PDT by attagirl
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The different aspects of this situation must be dealt with separately. If there is criminal conduct then a criminal complaint must be filed. As far as the patient is concerned, this decision is made 1000 times a day on earth; the decision should be routine.
107 posted on 09/09/2003 9:10:09 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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At this point I don't know who is denser--me or you! But the problem with this case is that the criminality of it is not addressed. This poor family has all it can do to keep Terri alive much less trying to prove a 12 yr. old case of wife abuse. Also, it's complained about the judge to no avail.

The problem is that all this notwithstanding, another court, corrupt like this one, will posit its judgment on this case pointing out that Persistive Vegetative State does not mean coma.

108 posted on 09/09/2003 6:43:40 PM PDT by attagirl
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